These are factory seconds ........I have one unopened box and one box that i loaded 20 out of. I shot 7 or 8 of them and unloaded the rest of the 20. so there is 79 or 80 in one box plus the ones i unloaded and the other box is full. If you are around Bend we could do some trading for some other reloading stuff i could use like primers or powder or i will sell them 50.00 for both boxes
