Let's see anti-2A try to spin this one

[Catfishmoon]

Herein is the PROBLEM - what IF the 'unaffiliated stranger' who just happens to be at the location and is armed, intervenes and puts down potentially a GOOD GUY?

Just because someone who 'shot first' doesn't make them the 'bad guy'.

This harkens back to the basic understanding of that being just because one is a legal gun carrier does NOT make them a 'decision maker' or an LEO.

Any person who has ever shot another person through out history had to determine if what they are about to do is the correct thing. Same as here...
I would hope "the good guy" watched the scenario play out for awhile before making his decision to intervene, but I don't know...

Several people have mentioned a concealed weapon permit or similar, I don't see how that would matter any different than him open carrying or having a shotgun in the trunk of a vehicle at the scene. The bottom-line is he appears to be an adult who could legally possess a firearm at that location and moment. A carry permit means nothing more than the weapon can be legally concealed.

 

[Cavedweller]

Herein is the PROBLEM - what IF the 'unaffiliated stranger' who just happens to be at the location and is armed, intervenes and puts down potentially a GOOD GUY?

Just because someone who 'shot first' doesn't make them the 'bad guy'.

This harkens back to the basic understanding of that being just because one is a legal gun carrier does NOT make them a 'decision maker' or an LEO.

Under reasonable circumstances, an armed witness to such an event, as a witness to the event, would be able to determine which of the other participants were acting lawfully and which were acting unlawfully. If a person is unable to make that determination, one best not intervene. JMHO

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928256193232884037

View: https://x.com/HomicideSeattle/status/1928256193232884037

 

[Alexx1401]

$300 per night hotel.

Do they mention the rooms come with a live show out front?

 

[1911Fanatic]

He don't like no Nusbaum I've ever ran into. Sounds like the perp's whiney family will have two R cards to play. Wonder if Nusbaum was a gang member too?

If I see something like that go down and I know they are gang members, I definitely wouldn't be getting involved. In that case I would prefer to just let them kill each other. I wonder how the good guy with the gun is going to feel now that he is in deep legal bubblegum over defending two gang members? Seems like a wasted effort.

 

[L84Cabo]

Seattle...you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...except maybe in Portland...and San Francisco...and New York...and...

 

[1911Fanatic]

Seattle...you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...except maybe in Portland...and San Francisco...and New York...and...

Seattle…The Mos Eisley of Washington.

 

[nwslopoke]

Having been involved with trying to make a dangerous situation better with strangers, early in life, reality teaches that unfortunately it rarely pays off. I don't mean, helping someone that fell down or changing a tire.

I mean being, Captain Save a H*, or entering into a violent altercation. I lucky I never had any lasting repercussions in those days, but today I'm positive someone would try.

 

[1911Fanatic]

I just read on instagram that the guy that shot the perp was retired Capitol Police.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

In most cases....
Inserting yourself into someone else's problem ...will cause more issues.
It is best that if you are not directly threatened....you do not intervene.

Yes...of course there are exceptions to the above.....we can What if...What about this , till the cows come home.
Andy

 

[Aught Six]

In washingrad, if you use a firearm, you go to jail and have to fight your way back out.
It has happened to a few folks I knew. One shot the guy in his living room.
State said nothing wrong, Family of thieves took everything they had, and they then had to move out of state.

 

[Loc]

Herein is the PROBLEM - what IF the 'unaffiliated stranger' who just happens to be at the location and is armed, intervenes and puts down potentially a GOOD GUY?

Just because someone who 'shot first' doesn't make them the 'bad guy'.

This harkens back to the basic understanding of that being just because one is a legal gun carrier does NOT make them a 'decision maker' or an LEO.

C was 16 and used a handgun he could not legally possess. Nothing about that says he's the good guy in this scenario.

 

[Camelfilter]

Duplicate thread. Earlier thread on it here:

Let's see anti-2A try to spin this one

https://komonews.com/news/local/three-injured-in-downtown-seattle-shooting-spd-police-department-gun-violence-king-county-investigation-99-union-street-victims# Group of folks get into an altercation. Individual C shoots individuals A and B. Bystander D (a CPL holder) shoots individual C. A and...

www.northwestfirearms.com

@Moderators thread merge? Thx!

Merged.

 

[Camelfilter]

C was 16 and used a handgun he could not legally possess. Nothing about that says he's the good guy in this scenario.

After the fact.

The only things that matter AT THE TIME would be the reasonable fear of death / grievous injury to self & innocent others.

 

[Member 45541]

I just read on instagram that the guy that shot the perp was retired Capitol Police.

If that's true, it'll make a difference on HIS outcome. If it was Joe Blow from Idaho, they'd try and make an example out of him I'm sure!

 

[Stomper]

A+B+C=-(A+B)/(D-C+(AB))..... Squared

You forgot the PIE!!


(And the gravy!)







(Yes, I know it's "Pi"... LOL)

 

[Rkangel]

The 'assumption' seems to be 'C" is the 'bad guy' AND HE VERY WELL MAY HAVE BEEN - but was 'D' defending HIMSELF against HIM ?

This could very well be a case of a legal gun owner becoming 'over zealous' and acting outside of his legal rights.

Bottom line? If YOU ain't being 'agressed' make tracks, take cover and concealment and call 911.

Force your way into another persons altercation (even with good intent) and you may be viewed as an aggressor from another CHL holder going off the limited information he has received/viewed.

It's an easy way to get shot trying to do something good.

Both of you have very well reasoned thought progresses.

You witness an altercation with gunfire. If you engage with gunfire of your own before assessing the situation, you don't know which bullets are good and which bullets are bad, including your own. Did you just shoot an innocent man who was trying to defend himself against two assailants, or did you save two people from a man with a gun by shooting him before he could finish the job?
Or were they all gang bangers shooting at each other and you just inserted yourself into a gang war? You can't suck the bullets back if you are wrong.

 

[Stomper]

C was 16 and used a handgun he could not legally possess. Nothing about that says he's the good guy in this scenario.

Hopefully "C" hasn't polluted the world with his seed before he "C-een" his way out.

 

[Rkangel]

D had an arsenal

I mean, we all know that just one round of 9mm can blow a person's lungs out. 15 of them is like the equivalent of an ICBM.

 

[shoengine]

I'm glad folks are getting so much traction out of the summary. Some of the posts are bringing up bad memories of math class, so not super excited about that.