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They've been coming around with some frequency this summer. They take advantage of the tasty things that I've got growing in my yard. Things that I put some effort into. I've had to protect my young fig trees to the extent that they now resemble POW compounds In Iraq. I've had some tomatoes that I've been babying along, within a couple of days of being ripe, BAM, I went out to my garden and the ripe tomatoes were gone. They left two green ones behind because I think they rolled away under some lilac bushes nearby. They also grazed on the newest growth on some other tomatoes, and of course on the youngest growth of next year's raspberry canes. They always go for the youngest, tenderest part of the plants. The non-native plants, that's what they like. The stuff that people grow for pleasure or food.

Anyway, yesterday afternoon I was inspecting another area of my property and discovered that the deer had ravaged a small redwood tree. Which I've been babying along for many years. They danged near girdled the bark off in places.

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I trimmed off the lower branches that they broke down but not off. Plenty of those already on the ground. I've covered the trunk with molded foam (like pipe wrap only made for kids to bat each other with) for protection. Which I hope will help keep the cambium layer from drying out too much before it can heal itself but who knows. It looked like they were after chewing on the bark as much as eating any of the foliage. I've never had them attack any of the native trees like that.

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It upsets me to go out and find this predation against my plants. I'm not going to say the deer are sneaky, but I rarely see them. They come around in the early daylight hours. There are three of them. They are really nice looking animals (they ought to be after eating my stuff), very healthy with nice coats. Not like some of the ratty looking deer I've seen down along the Pacific coast of Wash. The last time I saw them was late in a morning. I ran out and shooed them away which didn't take much effort because they were eager to go and left quickly. I'm very tempted to take a shot with my 20 gauge and a slug or some buckshot. But I live in a no shooting zone in the county. There is also a practical aspect to this. When I'm out there when the deer are around, we're in close proximity. We're talking 20 or 30 feet. When you're up close on game like that, things happen real fast. It would be very easy to make an errant shot. My neighbors aren't real close, but close enough that it wouldn't be hard for the shot to go bad.
 
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They've been coming around with some frequency this summer. They take advantage of the tasty things that I've got growing in my yard. Things that I put some effort into. I've had to protect my young fig trees to the extent that they now resemble POW compounds In Iraq. I've had some tomatoes that I've been babying along, within a couple of days of being ripe, BAM, I went out to my garden and the ripe tomatoes were gone. They left two green ones behind because I think they rolled away under some lilac bushes nearby. They also grazed on the newest growth on some other tomatoes, and of course on the youngest growth of next year's raspberry canes. They always go for the youngest, tenderest part of the plants. The non-native plants, that's what they like. The stuff that people grow for pleasure or food.

Anyway, yesterday afternoon I was inspecting another area of my property and discovered that the deer had ravaged a small redwood tree. Which I've been babying along for many years. They danged near girdled the bark off in places.

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I trimmed off the lower branches that they broke down but not off. Plenty of those already on the ground. I've covered the trunk with molded foam (like pipe wrap only made for kids to bat each other with) for protection. Which I hope will help keep the cambium layer from drying out too much before it can heal itself but who knows. It looked like they were after chewing on the bark as much as eating any of the foliage. I've never had them attach any of the native trees like that.

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It upsets me to go out and find this predation against my plants. I'm not going to say the deer are sneaky, but I rarely see them. They come around in the early daylight hours. There are three of them. They are really nice looking animals (they ought to be after eating my stuff), very healthy with nice coats. Not like some of the ratty looking deer I've seen down along the Pacific coast of Wash. The last time I saw them was late in a morning. I ran out and shooed they which didn't take much effort because they were eager to go and left quickly. I'm very tempted to take a shot with my 20 gauge and a slug or some buckshot. But I live in a no shooting zone in the county. There is also a practical aspect to this. When I'm out there when the deer are around, we're in close proximity. We're talking 20 or 30 feet. When you're up close on game like that, things happen real fast. It would be very easy to make an errant shot. My neighbors aren't real close, but close enough that it wouldn't be hard for the shot to go bad.
Paint ball marker would be safe and may discourage them a little. Damn bandits.
 
bow and an archery tag.

Or if you had a crossbow and were practicing at daylight and one of the biggest bucks happened to run in between you and your target after you had already sent the bolt…

I mean, things happen unfortunately - I would never condone or advocate for anything illegal of course.
 
Bark damage looks like a buck rubbing velvet off his antlers. On the tree farm, we have that happen regularly. Last year they did that to two Coast Redwoods that were 8 years old. One died, and the other died above the damage, but re-sprouted below the damage, and looks like it will survive.

Your foam cover may prove to be a good preventive measure, since it is too soft to scrape off the velvet. Let us know if the tree survives.
 
Bark damage looks like a buck rubbing velvet off his antlers. On the tree farm, we have that happen regularly. Last year they did that to two Coast Redwoods that were 8 years old. One died, and the other died above the damage, but re-sprouted below the damage, and looks like it will survive.
This sounds like a good explanation.

Paint ball marker would be safe and may discourage them a little. Damn bandits.
I actually thought about using non-lethal ammo; I've got 12 ga. rubber shot. But that would still involve discharging a "real" gun.

bow and an archery tag.

Or if you had a crossbow and were practicing at daylight and one of the biggest bucks happened to run in between you and your target after you had already sent the bolt…
This is another thing I've thought about. I'd never be competent with a long bow, maybe a crossbow. Silent, wouldn't endanger neighbors, but the animal might run off my land. Then I might have a problem with witnesses. I've never hunted with a bow. I'm thinking that an arrow shot just doesn't pack the shock of a gunshot.

The thing is, when a deer is running 10-15 mile an hour across in front of you and 20 or 30 feet away (which is typically how close I get to shoo them away), they are just a blur. Tracking that movement for a lethal shot would be very iffy.

Oh, in Wash. you need a Landowner Hunting Permit to hunt your own property, which has to be approved by the Dept of Fish and Wildlife after they check out your details. I probably couldn't get one, due to being in a no shooting zone. Anything I did to eliminate deer would have to be sub rosa. I've been hoping some other poor schmuck will take them out for me.

I've been thinking maybe what I should get is a bumper bar for my car, then when I see one crossing the road I could nerf them into the next county. Like those bumper bars on the front of cop cars, or the ones people in NYC put on their cars front and rear where other cars try to squeeze into small spaces and bump other cars.
 
This sounds like a good explanation.


I actually thought about using non-lethal ammo; I've got 12 ga. rubber shot. But that would still involve discharging a "real" gun.
The rubber buckshot or round ball ammo is not even on the same league noise wise. When I bought some to play with in case needed they would not let me use them at the range. So I tried them out and home and they sound nothing like a shotgun blast. So as long as neighbors could not see you out there with a long gun? You would be fine. Those hearing it would assume you were using one of those noise bombs maybe, would not think of it as gun fire. Would discourage the hell out of the pests. I bought 2 kinds of it made by S&B. The buckshot rounds penetrate a handful of layers of cardboard and stopped. The other rounds that have 2 rubber balls sailed clean through about 20 layers of cardboard. Those would have to hurt like all hell.
 
Cougar scent is sold to nurseries. It works, hung on a small drawstring bag from the victim tree.

Urinating around the tree (yes, YOU) may also be an effective deterrent. (It worked for me on a Caribou kill against Wolves).
I've never hunted with a bow. I'm thinking that an arrow shot just doesn't pack the shock of a gunshot.
Correct. An arrow does not carry much "shock", but it doesn't need to. It's mechanism of killing is hemorrhage.

But do not for a minute think an arrow cannot kill suddenly and definitively. According to a buddy who witnessed, this deer went down "like it was hit with a .30-06!".

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The risk from using arrows is if the deer travels off your property before dying, and a neighbor reports finding a deer with an arrow in it.

My son used airsoft guns on deer in our yard. It seems to sting pretty badly at ranges up to 20 yards. At least, they jump in the air an run off fast. They kept coming back, so it only chases them away temporarily.
 
Deer move mostly in the hours around dawn and dusk. Blacktail are more towards the darker hours.

You can build a very tall fence, or just resign to the fact that they will eat what they want. Don't want to deal with wildlife, move to a more densely populated area. Then you can deal with the homeless and drug zombies. You can't legally shoot them, either.
 
Plant a deer food plot on the other side of your property to attract them away from your garden?
 
The rubber buckshot or round ball ammo is not even on the same league noise wise. When I bought some to play with in case needed they would not let me use them at the range. So I tried them out and home and they sound nothing like a shotgun blast. So as long as neighbors could not see you out there with a long gun? You would be fine. Those hearing it would assume you were using one of those noise bombs maybe, would not think of it as gun fire. Would discourage the hell out of the pests. I bought 2 kinds of it made by S&B. The buckshot rounds penetrate a handful of layers of cardboard and stopped. The other rounds that have 2 rubber balls sailed clean through about 20 layers of cardboard. Those would have to hurt like all hell.
My moms dad took all of his deer (Arizona and 400 acre ranch back in the 60's) with a .22lr to the temple of the deer.

A subsonic round in a bolt, lever or pump gun that doesn't cycle is incredibly quiet.

This is just a story and PSA and not something I am recommending…
 
I feel your pain @gmerkt, this year the damned deer stole almost all my strawberries, even the plants, tomatoes, and lettuce we planted. They didn't touch our corn, I don't blame them, it didn't look very good. Now all these danged turkeys are coming in and stealing our chicken feed. I just might have to put my purse down and start eating game meat.
 
They've been coming around with some frequency this summer. They take advantage of the tasty things that I've got growing in my yard. Things that I put some effort into. I've had to protect my young fig trees to the extent that they now resemble POW compounds In Iraq. I've had some tomatoes that I've been babying along, within a couple of days of being ripe, BAM, I went out to my garden and the ripe tomatoes were gone. They left two green ones behind because I think they rolled away under some lilac bushes nearby. They also grazed on the newest growth on some other tomatoes, and of course on the youngest growth of next year's raspberry canes. They always go for the youngest, tenderest part of the plants. The non-native plants, that's what they like. The stuff that people grow for pleasure or food.

Anyway, yesterday afternoon I was inspecting another area of my property and discovered that the deer had ravaged a small redwood tree. Which I've been babying along for many years. They danged near girdled the bark off in places.

View attachment 1955503

I trimmed off the lower branches that they broke down but not off. Plenty of those already on the ground. I've covered the trunk with molded foam (like pipe wrap only made for kids to bat each other with) for protection. Which I hope will help keep the cambium layer from drying out too much before it can heal itself but who knows. It looked like they were after chewing on the bark as much as eating any of the foliage. I've never had them attack any of the native trees like that.

View attachment 1955504

It upsets me to go out and find this predation against my plants. I'm not going to say the deer are sneaky, but I rarely see them. They come around in the early daylight hours. There are three of them. They are really nice looking animals (they ought to be after eating my stuff), very healthy with nice coats. Not like some of the ratty looking deer I've seen down along the Pacific coast of Wash. The last time I saw them was late in a morning. I ran out and shooed them away which didn't take much effort because they were eager to go and left quickly. I'm very tempted to take a shot with my 20 gauge and a slug or some buckshot. But I live in a no shooting zone in the county. There is also a practical aspect to this. When I'm out there when the deer are around, we're in close proximity. We're talking 20 or 30 feet. When you're up close on game like that, things happen real fast. It would be very easy to make an errant shot. My neighbors aren't real close, but close enough that it wouldn't be hard for the shot to go bad.
There's a 200 page thread here entitled "kill all raccoons!" on exactly what not to do.
Good luck!
 
The problem with culling is its only temporary and leaves behind a lot of evidence to cover up....
 
There's a 200 page thread here entitled "kill all raccoons!" on exactly what not to do.
Good luck!
Yes, I've posted there a few times. My experience and wisdom re. raccoons doesn't extend to deer.

This afternoon, I was out in the north end of my property. It's timbered and more isolated there. I found some piles of deer pellets and there is plenty of leaf litter on the ground. I think they may have used the area to bed down in for a while.

Deer fencing is the only way.
Just today, I was looking at razor wire on Amazon.

I feel your pain @gmerkt, this year the damned deer stole almost all my strawberries, even the plants, tomatoes, and lettuce we planted. They didn't touch our corn, I don't blame them, it didn't look very good.
When it comes to fruit, they always seem to get it one or two days before it's quite ripe for picking. And on greenery, the most tender shoots.

My corn did squat this year, I only got a few nubbins. One ear that I threw away outside my four foot fence the squirrels were happy to get. The four foot fence isn't much of a challenge for deer.
 
I once had a problem with a neighbors cats. They opened a bag of cat food every week and dumped it on their porch. Since cats don't crap where they eat, my yard became a dumping ground. I talked to the neighbor and she was not going to change, so I tried repellents. They only work for a day or so. Then I tried putting a hundred or so mouse traps under the garden mulch. I only managed to trap myself. I tried buying Lion poop from the circus. it is suposed to ward off other cats but house cats had not read that memo.
So my last try was to connect my sprinkler system to a motion detector. after a couple times getting soaked for walking over my lawn the cats learned to go way around my house!

using a motion detector to power up a 24v transformer and power up a sprinkler valve might scare away the deer and keep your garden green! DR
 

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