Good Relations with May Day

[Chee-to]

Ah...and gee...haven't like 20 Attorney Generals filed lawsuits WITHIN OUR COURT System to challenge the constitutionality of the healthcare bill? So, that claim will be addressed.

That option wasn't available to our forefathers. They couldn't get redress through elections or the courts...hence a revolution became necessary.

We aren't living in those conditions today...so, to threaten violence is still wrong and Un-American.

You haven't the foggiest idea of why the 2nd was added to the Constitution.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
-- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court

And guess what, people were voting when all these quotes originated.

I got more of them if you need them..............

Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.
-- Hitler, April 11 1942

 

[Partsproduction]

in fact capitalism in it's purest form is slavery to the most wealthy, no matter how they got that way

We'll have to disagree on this. Capitalism as a complex system that includes government regulation may fit your characterization, but pure capitalism and the free market are synonymous. The twisted setup we have now is due to over regulation.

Capitalism is endorsed by the Old Testament very early on by the eighth commandment, and is throttled from extremism by the second and tenth commandments.

Water runs downhill, smoke goes up, and wealth flows into the pockets of wise men. What happens to it after that depends on the amount of wisdom the man has.

But counterfeit wisdom, the unions and all of the presidents schemes, run contrary to the eighth commandment. Unions steal from employers, from union members, and from society. They are worthy of disgust, as is the mafia.

Che should be remembered as being the evil man that he was, not celebrated. The inclusion of an image of che is telling about the validity of unions. Talk about a guy who believed in violence!

 

[el gringo loco]

You haven't the foggiest idea of why the 2nd was added to the Constitution.

And you haven't the foggiest idea of the difference between tyranny and having the other party in charge. Having Democrats in power is not tyranny--it is our Constitution and political process working. A majority elected President Obama and other Democratic politicians into office. Just because you don't like the way the country is headed, does not mean you are anywhere close to suffering from the tyranny of an oppressive regime.

Don't you think the right (and a few years ago it was the left) is getting just a little to full of drama queens? You lost the election. Deal with it. Try to win next time. Sometimes, your views are in the minority. Such is life in a democratic republic.

 

[Chee-to]

And you haven't the foggiest idea of the difference between tyranny and having the other party in charge. Having Democrats in power is not tyranny--it is our Constitution and political process working. A majority elected President Obama and other Democratic politicians into office. Just because you don't like the way the country is headed, does not mean you are anywhere close to suffering from the tyranny of an oppressive regime.

Don't you think the right (and a few years ago it was the left) is getting just a little to full of drama queens? You lost the election. Deal with it. Try to win next time. Sometimes, your views are in the minority. Such is life in a democratic republic.

Sooooooo sensitive, you must really be worried about November, when many of these jokers get their walking papers !!!

BTW my post was about the intent of the Second Amendment, and it applies to whoever's in charge, not just the Socialist Progressive Party, (read it again without your liberal goggles on), and I got news for ya, "most Americans" don't like where this country is headed, it ain't just me..................

 

[Trlsmn]

And you haven't the foggiest idea of the difference between tyranny and having the other party in charge. Having Democrats in power is not tyranny--it is our Constitution and political process working. A majority elected President Obama and other Democratic politicians into office. Just because you don't like the way the country is headed, does not mean you are anywhere close to suffering from the tyranny of an oppressive regime.

Don't you think the right (and a few years ago it was the left) is getting just a little to full of drama queens? You lost the election. Deal with it. Try to win next time. Sometimes, your views are in the minority. Such is life in a democratic republic.

I just read his whole post and I can't find one word that has anything to do with the current commander in thief so I would advise you to take your own advice and "get over it"!

 

[Stomper]

I just read his whole post and I can't find one word that has anything to do with the current commander in thief so I would advise you to take your own advice and "get over it"!

Yeah... what he said!


You jump all over one "off the cuff" (childish) comment (by me) and RUN with it... how about spending more of your time condemning these schlubs? All I EVER hear from the lefties is... crickets.






OMG... is that a black woman holding this poster?! RACIST!!!!


I could go on and on and on and on with the ENDLESS photos of lefty protesters and their signs of "tolerance" (that NEVER seemed to make it into the MSM (aside from maybe FNC)... No, I'll not share a parade-space at a socialists event for ANY issue, not even for the 1A or 2A... have fun y'all.



HEY, JACK-HOLES.... get YOUR government off of my freedoms, and OUT of MY wallet!! :angry:

 

[elsullo]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the marchers are illegal invaders and therefore lawbreakers. I do not give a @rap what they want, I want them gone back home

Yo, Blitz! Where in my post did you find a single word of support for illegal immigration? Why are you trying to twist what I posted to fit your own prejudices? "MOST of the marchers are illegal invaders?" What fantasy did you draw that from? Just what evidence do you have that ANY of them were illegals? You have no basis to assume that the American labor movement favors illegal immigration in the slightest!

I specifically pointed out that they were a very small contingent of a very much larger parade, and that the camera had narrowly selected them at the exclusion of the vast majority of labor marchers. For that matter, the person who posted that photo ALSO distorted the nature of the May Day parade by selecting that particular photo to imply that pro-illegals were at the heart of the matter. No foundation for either effort to distort the actual reallity.

You don't seem to be able to read my simple post without distorting it, and you certainly do NOT know what I think or believe. As a matter of fact, I too feel that America needs urgently to CLOSE our borders and expell all illegal immigrants without much ceremony, including their small children even if born here. The Federal citizenship law should be cancelled that gives birth-citizenship to babies born of illegals here. This is ridiculous!

My ancestors were poor, miserable Irish refugees who came to America seeking to work hard and make a better life, so I have a LOT of compassion for immigrant needs. But my people did not come illegally to take other people's jobs more cheaply, there was room for them, and ALL OF IRELAND did not try to illegally flood in after America got "full." We really need to take harsh measures to push the flood of illegal immigrants back out. They are killing our economy with the taxes it takes to support them, and they are despoiling our culture with the parasite gangsters and child molesters that they bear with them and tolerate within their ranks. There, that's a little taste of MY prejudices.

And regarding Second Amendment freedoms, there is little WORSE for keeping them than the indiscriminate number of bullets loosed by the illegal immigrant gangsters in our midst. Another day, another bunch of crimes, another bunch of illegal immigrants abusing our gun freedoms and giving fuel to the anti-gunners. May Day is about celebrating and supporting our worker freedoms, not about supporting illegal immigration........................elsullo

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Here are two of our new "friends" and the fine dieversity they bring - kidnap and gang rape of an 11 year old girl!

Just doing the jobs that most Americans won't do, I suppose

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[Stomper]

You have no basis to assume that the American labor movement favors illegal immigration in the slightest!

Heh... I've done work (related to my trade) inside two different SEIU buildings in the PDX area on SEVERAL occassions... they are ALL FOR "immigrant" rights. You should see the posters on the walls, you should hear them talking in their little office cubicles... I felt the need to take a long hot shower afterwards.

As a matter of fact, I too feel that America needs urgently to CLOSE our borders and expell all illegal immigrants without much ceremony, including their small children even if born here. The Federal citizenship law should be cancelled that gives birth-citizenship to babies born of illegals here. This is ridiculous!

AMEN TO THAT!! Just because you are "born" here, doesn't mean you should get "automatic" citizenship. It should be stipulated that you have to be born here under LEGAL CONDITIONS. Ironically, Ceasar Chavez felt the same, yet he is lauded to the skies by a certain group of "immigrant folk".

My ancestors were poor, miserable Irish refugees who came to America seeking to work hard and make a better life, so I have a LOT of compassion for immigrant needs. But my people did not come illegally to take other people's jobs more cheaply, there was room for them, and ALL OF IRELAND did not try to illegally flood in after America got "full." We really need to take harsh measures to push the flood of illegal immigrants back out. They are killing our economy with the taxes it takes to support them, and they are despoiling our culture with the parasite gangsters and child molesters that they bear with them and tolerate within their ranks. There, that's a little taste of MY prejudices.


WOW... lucidity on this particular issue... NICE!!

And regarding Second Amendment freedoms, there is little WORSE for keeping them than the indiscriminate number of bullets loosed by the illegal immigrant gangsters in our midst. Another day, another bunch of crimes, another bunch of illegal immigrants abusing our gun freedoms and giving fuel to the anti-gunners. May Day is about celebrating and supporting our worker freedoms, not about supporting illegal immigration........................elsullo

OK, I'll give you that last point about celebrating worker-freedoms (I'm not a lock-step pundit... believe it or not), but it sure APPEARS to have been hijacked by "other issues".

 

[Stomper]

Here are two of our new "friends" and the fine dieversity they bring - kidnap and gang rape of an 11 year old girl!

Just doing the jobs that moist Americans won't do, I suppose

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I'm SURE it's merely a CULTURAL MISUNDERSTANDING!!!

 

[unionguy]

I'm not in any of those pictures...so I fail to see your point.

If you're trying to paint me with the brush of the others in those pictures, that's a very weak argument.

But, your "Jack-Holes" comment tells me what I need to know about your ability to debate.

As a final note, I don't recall any of our Founding Fathers name-calling instead of debating the facts of an argument.

Yeah... what he said!


You jump all over one "off the cuff" (childish) comment (by me) and RUN with it... how about spending more of your time condemning these schlubs? All I EVER hear from the lefties is... crickets.






OMG... is that a black woman holding this poster?! RACIST!!!!


I could go on and on and on and on with the ENDLESS photos of lefty protesters and their signs of "tolerance" (that NEVER seemed to make it into the MSM (aside from maybe FNC)... No, I'll not share a parade-space at a socialists event for ANY issue, not even for the 1A or 2A... have fun y'all.



HEY, JACK-HOLES.... get YOUR government off of my freedoms, and OUT of MY wallet!! :angry:

 

[unionguy]

This post is obscene. You should really take it down. Guilt by Association is forbidden in our Constitution.

Here are two of our new "friends" and the fine dieversity they bring - kidnap and gang rape of an 11 year old girl!

Just doing the jobs that most Americans won't do, I suppose

<broken link removed>

 

[Trlsmn]

Private property has little constitutional protections but it's getting way OT. This thread is about a second amendment group that is of the typical beaten past of what is considered the average gun owner and it's participation in the May day rally Lets keep it at that.

I for one would not participate in that rally as my conscious dictates but I do feel that the OP's organization and it's participation in the rally is still a positive for 2nd amendment rights.
I don't want to close this thread but the racist leaning posts need to stop.

 

[AGCR]

Private property has little constitutional protections but it's getting way OT. This thread is about a second amendment group that is of the typical beaten past of what is considered the average gun owner and it's participation in the May day rally Lets keep it at that.

I for one would not participate in that rally as my conscious dictates but I do feel that the OP's organization and it's participation in the rally is still a positive for 2nd amendment rights.
I don't want to close this thread but the racist leaning posts need to stop.

Exactly. The May Day committee is made up of representatives from over 20 organizations. I doubt I would join half of them. The annual march itself is made up of hundreds of groups. Even though the organizers are 2A friendly, many of the participants will probably fall into more stereotypical anti-gun categories. By putting a friendly face on gun politics and educating them from a direction they aren't expecting, I take the struggle directly to people who will eventually be voting on laws we care about.
A funny aside from last year: Even though I publish writers from a good mix of right/left politics, my staff are mostly leftists, except for my webmaster Xander who is a Libertarian. An Oregonian photographer came by the AGCR table, but didn't run any shots of it, perhaps cos it didn't fit with what they expected to see, however a photo of Xander did appear (since he's very photogenic) along with other more orthodox activists, but they perhaps didn't notice his peace shirt is actually a B-52 and his pin is Republican Youth.

 

[AGCR]

I just saw a special on the Military Channel about Philidephia's contribution to WW2. Odd, the transit UNION tried to shut down the War Industrys with a transit strike during 1944 because the transit system wanted to hire BLACKS. Something the UNION would not tolerate. Proud heritage you got there.

Sadly true. Trace any group back far enough in the US and you'll find it was racist, from the founding fathers to the Teamsters.
An interesting exception is actually the Communist party which gained much traction in the early 20th century by appealing to non-whites and their allies. That's why many people stuck with them into the 1950s, since few other labor groups had been as open minded earning loyalty 20 years earlier.

 

[Stomper]

Unionguy, the founding fathers called each other MANY names... they just used WAAAAY more syllables to do it...

You have to understand, I spent the first EIGHT YEARS of the prime of my adult life training for, and fighting communism/totalitarianism in several foreign countries (when they let us) so that's a MAJOR reason I'm so... "fierce" on these types of issues. Let's call a truce, life is too short to get all bitter over EVERYTHING.... deal?


OK, so attempting to get back on topic WITHOUT further vitriol...


AGCR, what exactly are you thinking that will be a visible pro-2A statement in this year's May Day event? Will you pass out flyers, pamphlets, open-carry to demonstrate not all pro-2A have to be anti-leftists, or just "rub elbows" with the other organizational particpants during the event? Seriously, I am curious about the strategies you are thinking about infusing to further 2A rights into this event so that its not "swallowed up" by all the other "issues" it represents... let's hear 'em!

 

[unionguy]

Agreed. And, I thank you for your service to our nation's armed forces. Both of my brothers served as well, albeit in the 1980's.

Your joke about the Founding Father's multi-syllable names was a good one!

Unionguy, the founding fathers called each other MANY names... they just used WAAAAY more syllables to do it...

You have to understand, I spent the first EIGHT YEARS of the prime of my adult life training for, and fighting communism/totalitarianism in several foreign countries (when they let us) so that's a MAJOR reason I'm so... "fierce" on these types of issues. Let's call a truce, life is too short to get all bitter over EVERYTHING.... deal?


OK, so attempting to get back on topic WITHOUT further vitriol...


AGCR, what exactly are you thinking that will be a visible pro-2A statement in this year's May Day event? Will you pass out flyers, pamphlets, open-carry to demonstrate not all pro-2A have to be anti-leftists, or just "rub elbows" with the other organizational particpants during the event? Seriously, I am curious about the strategies you are thinking about infusing to further 2A rights into this event so that its not "swallowed up" by all the other "issues" it represents... let's hear 'em!

 

[AGCR]

AGCR, what exactly are you thinking that will be a visible pro-2A statement in this year's May Day event? Will you pass out flyers, pamphlets, open-carry to demonstrate not all pro-2A have to be anti-leftists, or just "rub elbows" with the other organizational particpants during the event? Seriously, I am curious about the strategies you are thinking about infusing to further 2A rights into this event so that its not "swallowed up" by all the other "issues" it represents... let's hear 'em! [/QUOTE]

In the past I just handed pro-2A out flyers at May Day and then last year ran a table, though joined too late too late for any other involvement. This time around as a member of the organizing committee my main goal presently is to see about getting a speaker who can give a talk emphasizing all 10 Amendments and the folly of ignoring #2. I have a longtime activist friend with the Pink Pistols who builds her own AKs and has done training with other groups for years. If I can swing it, getting her to talk would be ideal. However, as I mentioned, there are a ton of groups involved and with little seniority I may not be able to influence much in that dept. yet as there is only room for so many speakers.
Remember, this is a huge event and since it takes place on a Saturday this year, will be larger than usual. I could probably give the keynote speech myself with a bazooka under each arm and still be "swallowed up." I'm not expecting to change the world in a few hours, but just exert some carefully applied strategic pressure where it's needed. So, I'll certainly be flyering again, operating a table with info and stuff, plus making friends with folks from various groups. Anything more than that will be a big bonus.

 

[Stomper]

I applaud your efforts, and it's obvious you are doing more for the 2A issue than... almost EVERYONE, so I thank you for that!


I know that folks on either side of the politcal isle just can't imagine WHY the "other side" believes what they believe... that they must be loons or something. Our country's citizens will NEVER agree on EVERYTHING (and that's OK), but perhaps a common regard for the 2A will serve to bridge some of the awful schisms our society currently suffers from. There are kernels of truth in just about every ideology, so I'll take 'em when I see 'em. My desire is to just be able to live alongside my fellow countrymen (& women), and with our overseas allies in freedom, peace, & prosperity... I for one will try not to lose sight of that.