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Good Relations with May Day

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by AGCR, Apr 7, 2010.

  1. AGCR

    AGCR SE Portland Active Member

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    This year AGCR is again co-sponsoring the annual May Day March through downtown Portland on May 1st. The other groups are for the most part a long list of leftist and liberal organizations; exactly the usual suspects supposed as being anti-2nd Amendment. However, the collaboration last year went well and after my first meeting with the planning committee last night, I had a good talk with the sole member who had any reservations about being associated with a gun politics magazine the first time around and she said her position on firearms has reversed 180 since then. Everyone else had been enthusiastic from the get go. It would have been ridiculous otherwise, since we happened to be meeting in a room with a big mural of 19th century Zapatista farmers with rifles on the wall.
    Ross Eliot
     
  2. pioneer461

    pioneer461 Columbia County, Oregon Active Member

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    Workers of the world, unite!
     
  3. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    U201494 Well-Known Member

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    I do not support you or this immigration HS.
    I oppose it quite strongly.
    I belong to and participate in organizations working to reform America's immigration fiasco.
     
  6. AGCR

    AGCR SE Portland Active Member

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    I don't expect that you would. In fact, probably the majority of folks here wouldn't agree with the Mayday platforms and participants. However, the point of agreement is that these highly diverse groups all appear to have no problem with the 2nd Amendment, converse to many people's perceptions.
     
  7. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    Flying the flag of Mexico in our country and supporting La Raza is not something that should be promoted on a gun forum. In my opinion.

    I am very offended and also do not support open borders or amnesty in our great Republic.
     
  8. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    As you should be, that was the point of the post..........:thumbup:
     
  9. Correctthought

    Correctthought The big PDX and Vicinity Member

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    I will do absolutely nothing to help or promote the glorification of communist genocide, no matter how it is dressed up as.

    Should the folks in charge of this ever have power, they would strip gun rights away from citizens faster than you can say gulag. And yes, I'm convinced that elements of this crowd, in charge now, are trying to do so now.
     
  10. AGCR

    AGCR SE Portland Active Member

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    Fortunately the 2A applies to everyone, not just people we all agree with. I'm happy to be spreading the Gospel of John Browning to places where it isn't expected.
    It is always interesting to me how accepting liberals and leftists have with rare exception been with me surrounding firearm issues. The one previously skeptical member of the May Day committee who is now pro-gun was saying to me how close the right and left are in many ways, that there are more points of agreement than people often admit.
    And of course its not just the left which doesn't like an armed population once in power. G.W. Bush said he would have signed back the 1994 AWB and try owning a gun in Singapore, the right wing capitalist paradise (to paraphrase Milton Friedman)
     
  11. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    Mayday in Zurich, Switzerland was a good time.

    Everyone gets the day off with pay.
    Everyone. Restaurants are closed.
    The public transportation runs and the hospitals are open.

    Then families go to the park and have picnics, while a few blocks over the nazis, anarchists and police have a day long street fight.

    Kind of lets the steam off for a year.

    Interestingly enough, it doesn't turn into a police riot with tear gas and massive arrests.

    No one brings their stgw. 90 either ;)
     
  12. Partsproduction

    Partsproduction Tillamook Oregon Active Member

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    I don't want the left to accept the second amendment, I want them to accept the common sense ideals of the right and then accept the blessings of the Constitution.
    I don't want guns in the hands of marxists. Our lives are miserable enough without that.
     
  13. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Look... at... all... those... red... flags... of... Che Guevara!! :angry: (Not to mention the Mexican flag, and a couple other CA country's flags)


    If I had my way... I'd introduce them to the "class III" aspect of the 2A from a high vantage point, stocked with 5,000 (or more) belt-linked rounds and a few spare barrels.


    Sorry dude, I spent the first 8-yrs. of my adulthood right outta high school (U.S. Army) fightin' against those thugs in Latin America who ascribe to that ideology. I'll not sully myself, nor add to their "perceived" numbers (or legitamacy) on a single issue that would be lost in the sea of a commie/socialist May Day parade anyway.

    I'm glad to hear there are a growing number of pro-2A thinkers in that crowd, but the other stuff they propound would sorely tempt me to excersise my weapons training in the worst possible way were I to find myself in the midst of a scene like that. My real question is, why are they slowly changing their minds in favor of the 2A? Is it so they can build up for a "revolution" if they find themselves on the political "short-stick" within the next few election cycles?
     
  14. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    As do I. This is a communist organization associated with the racist group La Raza.. ("The race") You can even see the flags flying for this group in the picture, above
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I'll watch your back and feed the belts :thumbup:
     
  16. unionguy

    unionguy Portland Active Member

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    The history of May Day was that it began in the US a rallying date to coordinate lots of demonstrations and protests to win the 8-hour day. Of course, they were called communists for that.

    At some point, we switched our Labor Day to September and the rest of the world (communist and non-communist) kept "our" Labor Day as May 1st (May Day).

    So, it certainly doesn't represent 'communist genocide'.

    I find the veiled threats of violence toward people who have a differing political viewpoints both reckless and UnAmerican. We don't settle our differences in America with violence...if we did, we would quickly become like so many other sorry nations on the planet.
     
  17. elsullo

    elsullo Portland Oregon New Member

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    Examine that photo carefully: American flags far outnumber the Mexican flags. La Raza ("the People") was just ONE group included in the mass of that march, and the photo is only of a very limited area of the march. It could be postulated that the photo is deliberately staged to distort the nature of the gathering, which overall is about Labor organizing, not immigration "rights". The biggest contingent was Jobs With Justice, a worker-rights national organization, and many individual unions.

    The May Day parades are about the international workers' rights campaigns and are a celebration of the progress that labor unionization has brought to the world and the solidarity of all workers in the struggle against corporate capital enslavement. Few people in the United States remember that May Day, the International Workers' Day, BEGAN IN THE USA. It was in the 1880's. I forget the date but I think it was 1888, the first nationally organized event to celebrate the Labor Movement and its gains (you know, dumb stuff like the five-day work week, and the eight-hour work day, and elementary job-safety regulations, ideas that never existed until labor unions forced Capital to agree by withholding union labor from them.) May Day celebrations spread around the world in the following years, but as the Labor Movement was so brutally repressed in the USA, among industrial nations only America does not enshrine May Day as a national holiday.

    You see that red flag? THAT BEGAN IN AMERICA! It was a blood-soaked white shirt taken off of a murdered worker, that a striker held up before a crowd of union marchers, after corporate mercenaries fired upon a peaceful and unarmed labor protest march. I am old and my memory is fuzzy, but I think it was the Haymarket Massacre in Chicago, around 1888 (sorry, I'm too busy to check the dates.) There are dozens of such worker massacres in American history, where corporations hired goons to harass and kill strikers and labor organizers. The red flag represents the blood and sacrifices of those workers and organizers, and their inspiration to all of the world. Most nations have great reverence for America as the source of this movement, and pity for us because our memories have been shaped by corporations to forget it.

    The May Day march is a home-grown celebration of our American freedoms, including our Bill of Rights, and is an ongoing protest against corporate capital dominance, and all that we have not lived up to.............................elsullo
     
  18. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Glad our forefathers didn't think that way, we would all have British accents and be eating kidney pie and spotted dick................:cool:
     
  19. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Our forefathers lived in a tyrannical kingdom, not a constitutional republic. Apples and oranges.


    But as far as your second point's concerned, we'd also be eating these:

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    :D
     
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  20. unionguy

    unionguy Portland Active Member

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    What he said.

    The rallying cry was "taxation without representation".

    We get to vote nowadays.

    The forefather legacy is over-used today...especially by people who have no problem kneeling at the altar of Corporate America who have taken all manner of liberties away from Americans.