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Designated Marksman/Guerrilla Sniper Rifles: What is the Ideal Solution?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by zeezee, Mar 10, 2011.

  1. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    zane Vancouver, WA Member

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    I love the inclusion of the .22 for it's uses. The Isrealis don't mess around.
     
  3. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    With the G3 design and an accurate barrel you can pretty much skip the bolt gun, since every accessory known to man is now available for the G3/HK rifles
     
  4. Haggstrom

    Haggstrom Northern mountians of Oregon New Member

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    For some reason or other my "idiot box" computer whouldn't let me use the link,but theres' more then a few folks who if asked whould say I know a thing or two when it comes to "sniper rifles";so I'll throw in my two cents.

    Some of my favorite "sniper" rifles I keep around are pretty much thought of as relics by most folks,but old Mausers and Mosins are cheap,not hard to find and in some cases out-shoot some of these newer fancy-smancy $2,000 set-ups.Laugh if ya like,but they really knew how to build em' back in my pappy's day.
     
  5. jvbutter

    jvbutter Cornelius, Or Active Member

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    He recomends the Rem700 .308 chamber as good inexpensive snipper... Ive read that this is the basis for a version the Military uses
     
  6. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    A designated marksman is not a sniper, and the main duties of each require different weapons platforms.

    Keith
     
  7. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    Keith, would you explain the difference please.
    ZZ
     
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    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    baada Surprise, AZ Member

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    zeezee: That depends on who you ask. In my job, we have designated marksmen, advanced designated marksmen, and snipers.

    The designated marksman (DM) uses an M4 with an ACOG 4x optic. They are attached to a squad and are used for things like overwatch and maybe counter-sniping if the range is close enough.

    The advanced designated marksman (ADM) is qualified on the M24 SWS (essentially the Remington 700P). They may also certify on the M107 Barrett. They may or may not be attached to a squad, can only be used in pairs (one shooter, one spotter), and are used for overwatch, limited recon, and a limited application of precision engagement. The ADM can act as a DM

    The sniper is also qual'd on the M24 and/or M107 and works as a team of two. The difference is when they are used as they are trained, they can be used for stalking, tracking, a wide range of recon applications, and precision engagement. They can also act as a DM or ADM.

    Again, it depends on who you ask. I know other specialties use their snipers and DMs differently.
     
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    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    The definitions also become blurred when you talk about snipers and marksmen from different countries and different eras.

    Keith
     
  11. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Most shooters cannot make effective use out of the extra accuracy a sniper grade bolt gun (in the same caliber) is capable of, vs a DM rifle..