Cci stinger vs cci punch in ballistic gel - video

[ilikegunspdx]

Handgun:

Stinger 3.5" barrel, 12" penetration

Punch 3.5" Barrel, 19.5" Penetration

3.5" test, stinger on top, punch on bottom


Rifle: (Skip to 11:05 mark in video for rifle comparison)

Stinger 16" barrel, 11.5" penetration, with fragmentation

Punch 16" barrel, 11.5" Penetration, better expansion and temporary cavity than Punch 3.5" barrel test

View: https://youtu.be/xnhYy1ZFxKo?si=jFJzg22YuRDmMVJG

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[ilikegunspdx]

Oops I just realized the title should be federal punch, not cci. Brain fart!

 

[OrPackrat]

Would be curious to see how Aguila Interceptors perform in comparison...

 

[TTSX]

.22 really is no slouch, despite being a rinky dink little doohickey. Always thought it punched over it's weight class.

 

[Knobgoblin]

.22 really is no slouch, despite being a rinky dink little doohickey. Always thought it punched over it's weight class.

Just like syphilis.

 

[TTSX]

Just like syphilis.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I wonder if they make that punch round in 22 mag. Would be good to use in little NA min revolver if they do. I've been using the cci max? Ballistic tip little buggers.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jan 11, 2023

 

[TTSX]

I wonder if they make that punch round in 22 mag. Would be good to use in little NA min revolver if they do. I've been using the cci max? Ballistic tip little buggers.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jan 11, 2023

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[Knobgoblin]

I wonder if they make that punch round in 22 mag. Would be good to use in little NA min revolver if they do. I've been using the cci max? Ballistic tip little buggers.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jan 11, 2023

I think gold dot .22mag is the top pick for short barrel. Could be out of date information.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

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Shopping for the Personal Defense Punch Rimfire - Learn more about the latest Personal Defense Punch Rimfire and other hunting or shooting gear at Federal Ammunition.

www.federalpremium.com

Interesting that it's a hollow point vs the 22lr is flat nose. Would like to see the 22 mag in ballistics gel. Might be a hot little bugger. Soem day I need to mix up that Knox gelatin I bought and make some of those blocks. Woudl be cool to do same test as iraqveteran but with some 22 mag rounds.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I think gold dot .22mag is the top pick for short barrel. Could be out of date information.

Seems to me speer gold dot is a top self defense round no matter what the caliber is.

 

[308Palma]

Well bubblegum, this post just made me pull out my Ruger SR 22 and what do you know? It fits perfectly in a spare 43X holster.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Re 22 Mag, Skip to 9:15 mark to see ballistic gel test of Fed Punch, hornady critical defense, and Gold Dot out of a handgun:

View: https://youtu.be/EgMKzPPcYnI?si=niInNuN--HilNVXL

 

[po18guy]

Interestingly, both 22LR and 22 Mag operate at the same. 24,000 PSI SAAMI max pressure. It's just that the Mag has more of that 24K pressure to push the bullet faster. What about 22 Mag+P? The thin casing might be the limiting factor.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Interestingly, both 22LR and 22 Mag operate at the same. 24,000 PSI SAAMI max pressure. It's just that the Mag has more of that 24K pressure to push the bullet faster. What about 22 Mag+P? The thin casing might be the limiting factor.

Interesting. What does 17hmr run at? Seems like maybe the brass has to be thin enough to deform and ignite the primer. So maybe that limits the pressures for all rimfire (can't make brass thicker to hold higher pressure)?

 

[po18guy]

Interesting. What does 17hmr run at? Seems like maybe the brass has to be thin enough to deform and ignite the primer. So maybe that limits the pressures for all rimfire (can't make brass thicker to hold higher pressure)?

26K on the Hornady. I think that is about the limit. Will have to check SAAMI to see what level 22/22Mag proof loads are pressured to.
EDIT: Consider the rimfire .17 Winchester Super Magnum. 33,000 PSI. What if that was necked up to .22? It might need rifle-level firing pin strikes for reliable ignition, as it has not been offered in a handgun, to my knowledge.

 

[po18guy]

SAAMI proof loads vary but "should be" 1.33X the cartridge max average pressure. In the case of 22 Lr and 22 Mag, that would be 32,900 PSI., or approximately what the .17 Winchester Super Mag runs at. Clearly, the case can take that pressure. Perhaps a +P rimfire would then require a proof load that exceeds the case strength.