As if we didn't already know: firearms registries/purchase tracking databases are bad

[OldPewPews]

I was reading about this recent ICE raid on an apartment building in Chicago and I noticed this part:

WBEZ and Sun-Times reporters also found a map crumpled up on the floor in the entryway of an apartment. It labeled each unit inside the five-floor building as "vacant," "tenant" or as "firearms." Some units appeared to be marked as both "tenant" and "firearm."

That immediately prompts the question: how did they know which units contained firearms? FICS/NICS data? Illinois FOID records? If not that, they would've had to search and/or surveil the apartments beforehand to know which ones housed gun owners, which seems far less plausible, given the time and expense that would take. With the pressure to meet arrest quotas, I don't think these raids are being planned out with that level of effort or detail.

We all know that government-mandated firearm and firearm-owner tracking can be used by those governments against their people, to stamp out their rights and take away their ability to defend themselves. That's why we fight against it. In these times of escalating authoritarianism, have we reached the stage where we have a government right here in America that is willing to go down that road? And if so, is there anything we can do about it to protect ourselves?

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[64MercurysRule]

Don't vote Demorat .............

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Don't vote Demorat .............

Or Republican apparently

https://twitter.com/x/status/1975671887897501968

View: https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1975671887897501968

 

[dangerranger60]

I doubt the state of Ill would help the Feds out with foid card info. but instead they probably had human intel inside that building that told them which apts had gang member living in them. But there are other ways they might know [ or suspect] who has guns. DR

 

[OldPewPews]

Don't vote Demorat .............

It ain't the Democrats doing this stuff, though, is it? Using databases to target gun owners — if indeed that's what we're looking at — is bad regardless of the party doing it, right?

It's the behavior that matters, not the color of the party behind it.

 

[OldPewPews]

they probably had human intel inside that building that told them which apts had gang member living in them. But there are other ways they might know [ or suspect] who has guns.

I sincerely hope to God that you're right. Because if it's what I think it is then holy ****, we're in trouble!

 

[quneur]

Make it mandatory for every politician to have to use public transit daily without security. They will become 2A advocates pretty quickly.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Using a firearm database for a nefarious purpose...?
Of course....not surprised here at all.

What to do about it...?
As noted above vote...but be careful about who or what you vote for.

Call / write our elected so called representatives....
Remind them that they are supposed to work for us....Not against us or the Constitution.

Untie as firearm owners and stop nit picking each other over various things....
A strong united voice will speak louder and more clearly , rather than the din of a rabble.

Andy

 

[Belial]

..............Untie as firearm owners and stop nit picking each other over various things....
A strong united voice will speak louder and more clearly , rather than the din of a rabble.

Andy

This is key...

 

[Knobgoblin]

I doubt the state of Ill would help the Feds out with foid card info. but instead they probably had human intel inside that building that told them which apts had gang member living in them. But there are other ways they might know [ or suspect] who has guns. DR

Ring cameras , smart TVs , phones ,....


It's a brave new world.

 

[arakboss]

I was reading about this recent ICE raid on an apartment building in Chicago and I noticed this part:


That immediately prompts the question: how did they know which units contained firearms? FICS/NICS data? Illinois FOID records? If not that, they would've had to search and/or surveil the apartments beforehand to know which ones housed gun owners, which seems far less plausible, given the time and expense that would take. With the pressure to meet arrest quotas, I don't think these raids are being planned out with that level of effort or detail.

We all know that government-mandated firearm and firearm-owner tracking can be used by those governments against their people, to stamp out their rights and take away their ability to defend themselves. That's why we fight against it. In these times of escalating authoritarianism, have we reached the stage where we have a government right here in America that is willing to go down that road? And if so, is there anything we can do about it to protect ourselves?

NFA

 

[Koda]

Anyone who doesnt think a registry exists just go buy a gun and leave it downtown and let us know how long it takes to get a knock on the door.

 

[wired]

Anyone who doesnt think a registry exists just go buy a gun and leave it downtown and let us know how long it takes to get a knock on the door.

Dealer here. None of my sales records go to .gov unless I send them to them. Traces are different. They call me and ask where a gun went. I tell them. In 25 years its happened twice.

 

[nwslopoke]

Using a firearm database for a nefarious purpose...?
Of course....not surprised here at all.

What to do about it...?
As noted above vote...but be careful about who or what you vote for.

Call / write our elected so called representatives....
Remind them that they are supposed to work for us....Not against us or the Constitution.

Untie as firearm owners and stop nit picking each other over various things....
A strong united voice will speak louder and more clearly , rather than the din of a rabble.

Andy

Unfortunately we have to catch them on the way in or better yet, hire from within. Once the politician is already there, they have bigger fish to fry than fixing your problems.

It's an unfortunate reality. Especially in Oregon. The fact that one block in Portland is allowed to disrupt the lives of tax paying condo dwellers just confirms how little they care.

 

[Koda]

Dealer here. None of my sales records go to .gov unless I send them to them. Traces are different. They call me and ask where a gun went. I tell them. In 25 years its happened twice.

They cannot trace a gun without a registry, you are part of that registry.

 

[wired]

They cannot trace a gun without a registry, you are part of that registry.

If there were an actual registry all guns would be on it and transfers could not happen without updates to that registry like exists with the NFA . The vast majority of states do not operate like that.

 

[Koda]

If there were an actual registry all guns would be on it and transfers could not happen without updates to that registry like exists with the NFA . The vast majority of states do not operate like that.

I dont know about all states, but Oregon state police maintains a registry on all gun sales.
As an FFL I thought you had to maintain a registry of all your gun sales?

 

[25-06]

Anyone who doesnt think a registry exists just go buy a gun and leave it downtown and let us know how long it takes to get a knock on the door.

We had Methy The Clown break into our house the other day. When the sheriffs arrived, we went over everything that was taken. One deputy brought out a tablet and opened a list of every gun I've purchased since 1998.

 

[wired]

I dont know about all states, but Oregon state police maintains a registry on all gun sales.
As an FFL I thought you had to maintain a registry of all your gun sales?

I do but I dont send them anywhere unless I close my license out. Not everyone lives in Oregon. Most states, you buy a gun the dealer keeps a copy of the 4473 until he closes his license out then they get sent into the feds. If you come in and sell me a gun I dont report that to the feds. I sell it and its essentially untraceable unless the ATF sends out a bulletin looking for that gun. Traces are pretty rare. Only new guns that are in a untouched non secondary market are effectively traceable. Once it hits the ( non Oregon) secondary market its anyones guess where it is. Even if I was a non licensee and I bought a gun 10 years ago if the ATF came to my door wanting to know where that gun is I could tell them to piss up a rope, get off my property, I dont have it any more and dont remember where it went. Thats not a registry.

 

[Koda]

We had Methy The Clown break into our house the other day. When the sheriffs arrived, we went over everything that was taken. One deputy brought out a tablet and opened a list of every gun I've purchased since 1998.

Thats impossible, "there is no registry"...
~sarcasm