9mm Iron Sight Max Distance?

[VinnieBoomBah]

A dot doesn't make you a better shooter.

Maybe not, but it sure does let me shoot better

 

[roseburger]

post your groups and splits

A dot, used by someone that practices can be slightly faster at lining up a shot, but it still won't make you better at the trigger squeeze. That said, a dot in and of itself won't make you better.

Years ago in Hawaii, I took six pot shots at 10" steel with a 6" 44 mag loaded with specials, and I landed three of the six on steel. I also took my Ruger MK4 Hunter out to 60 yards on 6" steel and it was boringly accurate.

Our range has the steel set at 20 yards. So that's what I get these days.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

1,000 yards...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3XwizTqDw

 

[roseburger]

1,000 yards...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3XwizTqDw

Was it the dot or the shooter that pulled that off?

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Was it the dot or the shooter that pulled that off?

Yes!

 

[Tlock]

Was it the dot or the shooter that pulled that off?

Thats all Jerry

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

This thread has got me thinking I may be fooling myself with all those hits I've been getting. Maybe it's time to get with the program and downdate (backdate, undate? Whatever the opposite of 'update' is) all my sights




Oh, and the emoji isn't to indicate that I think it, or I, will be cool for doing that, it's just the closest we have to a 'blind as a bat' emoji because without my glasses and holding my head just the right way there is really not much functional difference between those sights and NO sights for me. But a dot shows up fine, and even without my glasses I can put the blob on what I want a hole in The argument over dots making you a better shooter or not misses the point, they allow many people to to see an aiming reference better than they could see traditional sights and that translates to more hits. Imagine if I gave you a pistol with a rear sight that slid all over the place with every shot, would that make you a 'worse' shooter than you normally are or would it just make it harder for you to get as consistent of hits as your skill level allowed?

 

[roseburger]

Thats all Jerry

Indeed.

 

[lucusloc]

Dots absolutely can help you shoot better, just like better triggers, better ergos and better mechanicals can help you shoot better. But it all does depend on your skill ceiling; you do need to have enough skill to be able to utilize the better equipment. But a gun that is easier to shoot is going to have a lower skill ceiling for a given range of performance than a gun that is more difficult to use.

Why do you think most professional trainers recommend new shooters start with full size frames instead of little pocket mouse guns? It's because the full size guns are easier to shoot; more mass means more stability and less perceived recoil, longer sight radius means better sight picture and alignment, larger grips mean more contact area and control. . . why would things change just because its a dot? A dot allows for faster, clearer target acquisition. Yes it is its own skill set that only tangentially utilizes skills learned from irons, but the skill ceiling for dots is considerably lower than most irons.

I am not saying that dots are better than irons, as irons have their own distinct advantages (like lack of batteries and higher durability for starters). What I am saying is that dots can absolutely allow a shooter to make hits faster and better than they might be capable of with irons, which fits most people's definition of "better shooter."