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JUST FOR INFO....... Found a good deal on the stuff at aimsurplus.com. It was so cheap I had to buy a Saiga IZ240 Just so I had a reason to buy the ammo.... 2 boxes of the ammo to of course. It was slightly cheaper over all at Copes, but Copes doesn't give you the can opener.... Copes has the cheap shipping, but they mark up the ammo.. $149 box at Copes.... I needed the can opener...LOL