RIP - new type of bullet

[LogicBomb]

i asked if they just sell bullets so I can tinker and see what I can come up with like maybe 4.8 to 5.0 grains of bullseye

even though ive never shot anything that light outta my 9mm so maybe start at 3.5 or so and work up

 

[JackThompson]

So while I was going about my day it occurred to me.

What if (Once again) this is all part of some sinister plot against the American gun owner?
Step 1 - The EPA raped the last remaining lead (Foundry?) processing plant in America out of business this year.
Step 2 - Make a lead alternative that looks mean.
Step 3 - Make it look neat, but be absolutely ineffective against all forms of body armor or vehicles.
Step 4 - Oppress the people in 2 years when everybody has these neat looking rounds.

This is why I need to occupy myself with other stuff.... I start to get paranoid.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

I liked the hole-saw reference

 

[Darkker]

That "raped" foundry was a primary lead facility, ultra-pure stuff used in electronics. The bullet industry uses 100% secondary lead, meaning recycled sources. So look at you already supporting recycling. To name only a few: Sierra, Missourri bullet co, all ATK controlled facilities, don't care and have all commented that the closing has zero impact on their business or costs....

Headlines sell, and people love to "believe" in things.... That word always has a problem right in the middle of it unfortunately.

 

[JackThompson]

Headlines sell, and people love to "believe" in things.... That word always has a problem right in the middle of it unfortunately.

You just blew my mind right there! (Awesome news about using recycled lead too!)

 

[jamesclipscomb]

looks awsomely destructive to flesh but if I had to use them and i ended up in court Id rather have loaded run of the mill XTPs or gold dots when explaining the details.

 

[Burt Gummer]

I love the look and the fact that they would make a great conversation piece at a barbeque, but these days I'll take 5-10 plain jane range FMJs over one fancy Nancy spinning copper whatchatmacallit.

These things probably go through Kevlar also. A T6 copper 5.7 round will go right though two Level III vests so these pointy copper edges? - who knows.

 

[U201491]

These might just be as, or more effective at a terminal shock effect than the black talon.
Time will tell.

 

[The Heretic]

Lethality of a projectile is defined by its penetration and damage caused by the projectile itself tearing flesh/internal organs/etc. - not by "shock".

 

[Certaindeaf]

I can't wait for the movie!

 

[U201491]

Lethality of a projectile is defined by its penetration and damage caused by the projectile itself tearing flesh/internal organs/etc. - not by "shock".

Ie; shock is the part of trauma that shuts you down.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

I'd like to see if the round remains intact when dropped on concrete from six feet. Not a good day if one of those little spears is rattling around lose in your magazine.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I'd like to see if the round remains intact when dropped on concrete from six feet. Not a good day if one of those little spears is rattling around lose in your magazine.

Good point. The structural integrity and hookyness could prove problematic.
The BAT (Gecko blitz action trauma) round was pretty awesome but didn't send shards everywhere.

 

[The Heretic]

Ie; shock is the part of trauma that shuts you down.

Systemic shock yes, but not any kind of "hydraulic" or "sonic" or any of the other "shocks" that proponents of fast projectiles assert cause lethality.

A lot of people don't even know they are shot and continue on until they bleed out.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I saw an unopened can of tuna "bleed out" when struck top to bottom, centered, with .44 special 180gr Silvertip.. glug glug. The next can was 9mm 115gr Silvertip,, nothing fancy. It rained bits over a half tennis court size area.. the can, what could be found of it, was just hole.. not whole at all. no glug glug. lolz

 

[97321]

.22 TCM. Low drag, high speed.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Gunkid?

 

[U201491]

Systemic shock yes, but not any kind of "hydraulic" or "sonic" or any of the other "shocks" that proponents of fast projectiles assert cause lethality.

A lot of people don't even know they are shot and continue on until they bleed out.

Systemic shock yes

That is the kind of shock you strive for to incapacitate someone.

 

[U201491]

I'd like to see if the round remains intact when dropped on concrete from six feet. Not a good day if one of those little spears is rattling around lose in your magazine.

By the looks of their construction I don't see that ever happening.

 

[LogicBomb]

dunno but im going to order a box and test them out myself.....and try to improve the load


let ya all know when its done