Project Grayburn

[CountryGent]

I recently read our British friends and allies will be replacing the SA80 family of small arms by 2030. It is called Project Grayburn and some details may be read here.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to cartridge or arm that might be adopted? If you were in the decision—making rôle, what would you select for the next generation of small arms for the United Kingdom? Why so?

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[Knobgoblin]

Already chosen.

 

[.45's and .38's]

Primary

 

[RVTECH]

If you were in the decision—making rôle,

Well, hypothetically speaking If I were in a 'decision making role' I would suggest the UK seriously consider 'throwing in the towel' and ask for a statehood position or maybe 'territorial' with the U.S.

I mean really? If the UK was EVER in a serious war-like situation who would be first in line to defend them?

Re - align the UK under U.S. Constitutional Doctrine and we'll go from there.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I know they are no longer cutting edge or trendy....
But they have worked well for me...or for those under my command.
M16A1 , M16A2 , CAR-15 , M4 Carbine....preferably with iron sights.

I also know that every firearm has advantages as well as disadvantages.
And that a one size fits all type of firearm , especially for the military just ain't never going to happen.

Again...those are simply my choices..based on my experiences with them.
Experiences , both in combat and peace time.

I know they won't get picked or even considered...but the question in the OP was if you were in the decision...
Andy

 

[Poole]

If I had to bet, they'll stick with 5.56 since NATO logistics aren't going anywhere, maybe spice it up with something like the HK416 flavor to ditch the SA80 headaches. If I were picking, I'd go 6.5 or 6.8 just for reach and punch, but politicians love cheap ammo more than performance.

 

[Char77]

I would adopt .280 for the banter.

 

[orygun]

Does our guy there have any input or response?
@tac

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I recently read our British friends and allies will be replacing the SA80 family of small arms by 2030. It is called Project Grayburn and some details may be read here.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to cartridge or arm that might be adopted? If you were in the decision—making rôle, what would you select for the next generation of small arms for the United Kingdom? Why so?

I would be surprised if whatever it is is not made by hk. Being they had hk fix their issues on a huge scale. Also past use of g36 and g3/g3k. So I would
Look to whatever hk current military rifles are first. Just a guess though. Also there is no way for us to tell about how much politics and $ play into such things imo.

If it were me I would be looking at Bren3 for sure. Not sure what else beyond that cuz I haven't studied it much as all.

Also are any modern military rifles not short stroke gas piston? M7, spear, Bren 2/3, any HK, etc. So short stroke gas piston seems to be a given? stoner's ar-180 design seems to be the basic design for all modern military rifles, at least those using intermediate rounds.

@Poole seems to have nailed the cartridge choices. Do they see enough benefit in the newer cartridge innovations to justify the cost?

I will say there has been a HUGE push in England re military since Putin invaded. Cant tell you how many stories I've read about re-instituting the draft, how England is likely to be the next one invaded by Russia, how nuclear ready is England etc. it's a huge, huge, push there from everything I've read from bbc news and skynews, not fringe stuff.

 

[WillametteWill]

Already chosen.

I didn't realize there was a painting of my bride @SouthernGirl floating around on the interwebs. Red hair and all.

 

[SouthernGirl]

 

[Stomper]

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Already chosen.

Yeah well... if only enough of the Scotts these days had Wallace's stones.... but they don't. It's been downhill since Dunblane.

 

[1911Fanatic]

If the UK follows Washington state's lead, it will be dildos and bongs.

 

[tac]

Yeah well... if only enough of the Scotts these days had Wallace's stones.... but they don't. It's been downhill since Dunblane.

Those of us who shoot live with the fallout of Dunblane hanging over us every time a gun is used to commit a crime. I lost a shed-load of handguns, although three ended up in the National Collection where I can't even get to see them. Seven were deactivated, and the rest.......................who knows?

Mrs tac was a very fine county-level pistol shot, and a real danger to any wallet on a Wednesday fun shoot on the unit range. She had a Unique DES69 and a 4" bbl Model 29, and really loved shooting my 9mmK Walther PP. After our cartridge-firing handguns got taken, she refused point-blank to get interested in black powder shooting - too much like cooking, she noted.

 

[tac]

Does our guy there have any input or response?
@tac

I'm retired and was never in the loop.

I was a user, not a chooser.

 

[tac]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8LvSwDSEY

 

[bradsteen]

Best guess would be an AR pattern, but who knows on caliber. I suspect something heavier than your average 5.56, as that's been the trend since the military has been learning lessons from playing in the sandbox over the past few decades. Probably looking for something at least 100gr, still able to be pushed past 500yds without significant drop (since they're trending towards LPVOs), and without too much recoil. If they had half a brain they'd take advantage of the AR's modularity and order each gun in a kit with multiple uppers to suit different needs.