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This video from TA Targets really got me thinking about upping my concealed carry options. Increasing crime, violence, and political polarization is in our likely future. Even without the unrest of our very contentious elections this year it's going to get worse before it gets better. Increasingly a quick trip to the hardware or grocery store could put you in the middle of a riot, group theft, or any number of potentially violent situations that would have seemed unthinkable even a few years ago.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXOMAyMWqi8

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_R1nbJ5qY&t=1219s


A backpack gun allows you to conceal carry an intermediate cartridge pistol with rifle performance in locations you previously conceal carried a pistol. Such a firearm is a compromise that necessitates a very short barrel, a folding stock, and hopefully some sort of noise mitigation to prevent permanent hearing damage. Due to the very short barrel requirement 5.56 or rounds like it are poor choices. I'd recommend the much more efficient 300 BO in this case as the 6" or shorter barrel loses surprisingly little velocity over the more common 8" and above barrels. Personally not interested in PCC calibers as they offer no better firepower than does a pistol which is far easier to carry and conceal. In addition the bag gun should be in a pistol configuration in order to be carried loaded in the bag using a CPL.

My solution started with the bag itself. I chose the Vertx Commuter 2.0 as it is effectively a holster that looks like a commuter bag. As a sling bag it is easily rotated from back to belly and designed to open the gun compartment very quickly. There is even a space to put a soft body armor panel specially cut to fit for added protection against pistol rounds and knife attack. In addition to the gun compartment is a second compartment big enough to hold a laptop or other things you don't want interfering with a firearm. A final expanding outer pocket is big enough to carry a commuter type bike helmet (covert bump helmet) and an IFAK if desired. Interior surfaces are the soft portion of Velcro so additional things like mag pouches or holsters can be positioned as desired,

The bag itself comes in several color schemes and blends right in. Before actual use my wife used it several times in place of her purse in restaurants, movie theaters, shopping, etc.. It drew zero attention.

There are several good OTS compact or folding firearms that would fit the bill like the Sig Rattler and the Q Honey Badger. I went with a folding AR pistol for cost, customization, and to keep it as a pistol for CPL use. I call my Budget Badger the Crack Weasel. I was able to cobble it, the optics, mags, ammunition, sling and silencer cheaper than the Q or Sig by patiently shopping sales beginning during the holidays and using existing parts.

Here is my take - Folding AR Pistol w/ 6" barrel and Witt Dirty Thirty. Cartridge is 300 Blackout to mitigate velocity loss from the very short barrel. Nope, it ain't black. I use greens, browns and grays to blend into most environments. Loaded mag is a 20 rounder. A pouch shingle I mounted inside the bag can hold up to three 30 round mags. Ammunition is Sig solid copper supersonic designed for the ballistically similar Rattler. The bullet performs much like a Maker. Optics are a Holosun 510 green and an inexpensive Votatu green laser.
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Folded is under 17" with silencer. This is not a super quiet silencer but will prevent hearing damage and allow you to hear when the police get there.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5D2hJhacU
 
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This video from TA Targets really got me thinking about upping my concealed carry options. Increasing crime, violence, and political polarization is in our likely future. Even without the unrest of our very contentious elections this year it's going to get worse before it gets better. Increasingly a quick trip to the hardware or grocery store could put you in the middle of a riot, group theft, or any number of potentially violent situations that would have seemed unthinkable even a few years ago.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXOMAyMWqi8

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_R1nbJ5qY&t=1219s


A backpack gun allows you to conceal carry an intermediate cartridge pistol with rifle performance in locations you previously conceal carried a pistol. Such a firearm is a compromise that necessitates a very short barrel, a folding stock, and hopefully some sort of noise mitigation to prevent permanent hearing damage. Due to the very short barrel requirement 5.56 or rounds like it are poor choices. I'd recommend the much more efficient 300 BO in this case as the 6" or shorter barrel loses surprisingly little velocity over the more common 8" and above barrels. Personally not interested in PCC calibers as they offer no better firepower than does a pistol which is far easier to carry and conceal. In addition the bag gun should be in a pistol configuration in order to be carried loaded in the bag using a CPL.

My solution started with the bag itself. I chose the Vertx Commuter 2.0 as it is effectively a holster that looks like a commuter bag. As a sling bag it is easily rotated from back to belly and designed to open the gun compartment very quickly. There is even a space to put a soft body armor panel specially cut to fit for affed protection against pistol rounds and knife attack. In addition to the gun compartment is a second compartment big enough to hold a laptop or other things you don't want interfering with a firearm. A final expanding outer pocket is bit enough to carry a commuter type bike helmet and an IFAK if desired. Interior surfaces are the soft portion of Velcro so additional things like mag pouches or holsters can be positioned as desired,

The bag itself comes in several color schemes and blends right in. Before actual use my wife used it several times in place of her purse in restaurants, movie theaters, shopping, etc.. It drew zero attention.

There are several good OTS compact or folding firearms that would fit the bill like the Sig Rattler and the Q Honey Badger. I went with a folding AR pistol for cost, customization, and to keep it as a pistol for CPL use. I call my Budget Badger the Crack Weasel. I was able to cobble it, the optics, mags, ammunition, sling and silencer cheaper than the Q or Sig by patiently shopping sales beginning during the holidays and using existing parts.

Here is my take - Folding AR Pistol w/ 6" barrel and Witt Dirty Thirty. Cartridge is 300 Blackout to mitigate velocity loss from the very short barrel. Nope, it ain't black. I use greens, browns and grays to blend into most environments. Loaded mag is a 20 rounder. A pouch shingle I mounted inside the bag can hold up to three 30 round mags. Ammunition is Sig solid copper supersonic designed for the ballistically similar Rattler. The bullet performs much like a Maker. Optics are a Holosun 510 green and an inexpensive Votatu green laser.
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Folded is under 17" with silencer. This is not a super quiet silencer but will prevent hearing damage and allow you to hear when the police get there.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5D2hJhacU
Nice setup. Looks like you're running a Vertx Commuter 2.0, so there's probably enough room in the rear compartment for both gun and mags, but it could get a little tight in there. Alternatively you could use the compartment closest to your body for storing mag pouches and other essentials, and the next compartment out as the "gun storage" section. Doing that will ensure your spare mags are consistently positioned on your body (kinda like a chest rig) which will make reloading from the bag much easier, and put a barrier between gun and mags to minimize noise / rattle.

I have found that storing the mags in compartments farther away from the chest is not ideal. The weight of the loaded mags creates a tendency for that part of the bag to pull away from you and flop around. Not a good situation when needing to reload under stress.
 
My Sig MPX-K with a 20-round mag fits perfectly in a 15" laptop bag with the stock folded.

Three 30-round mags plus a suppressor fit in the accessory pocket.
 
Here's one of my gun bag setups... B&T TP9 with a Vertx Tourist sling bag. Overall dimensions are 12.5" wide x 10.5" tall x 4.5" deep. Assembled this will fit the TP9 w/ 30rd mag carried nose downward and brace folded in the "main" compartment, 4 spare 30rd mags and 2 mags for your EDC in the rear "gun" compartment, and in this instance I have the front pocket dedicated to medical (tourniquet, chest seal, Israeli bandage, etc.). This model of bag transitions into a simple chest rig with a strap for the waist to keep things relatively stationary.

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I know the preference is to get a rifle caliber in a concealable platform, but this is demonstrative of how small of a bag you can get and still pack a decent amount of firepower.

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I would be hesitant carry a rifle. But that's just me. Your situation would be different.

Stores I frequent will not allow backpacks into the store and will ask you to place it with the cashier or put back in your car: shoplifting. There would be no way I would leave a firearm with a stranger and leaving it behind would defeat the purpose Also, walking into an establishment where's they use metal detectors, its going to be tough to explain why you're carry a 'sporting' rifle.

Carrying a pistol, you're already ahead of most people (if you avoid dangerous places and keeping aware of your surroundings). It makes sense carrying a rifle as a truck gun but carrying a pistol everywhere else.
 
I would be hesitant carry a rifle. But that's just me. Your situation would be different.

Stores I frequent will not allow backpacks into the store and will ask you to place it with the cashier or put back in your car: shoplifting. There would be no way I would leave a firearm with a stranger and leaving it behind would defeat the purpose Also, walking into an establishment where's they use metal detectors, its going to be tough to explain why you're carry a 'sporting' rifle.

Carrying a pistol, you're already ahead of most people (if you avoid dangerous places and keeping aware of your surroundings). It makes sense carrying a rifle as a truck gun but carrying a pistol everywhere else.
Agreed, EDC covers most situations better than a long gun in a bag. However, working in downtown Seattle in the middle of riots and protests has definitely reinforced the idea that sometimes it's good to have the option to discreetly carry something bigger if needed.
 
Shut up and take my money!

Any idea what the laws are in Oregon and/or Washington about transporting a weapon in this manner? Say, walking down the street with it in a bag?

I'm assuming you can't have a loaded mag inserted into the magwell??

Does the bag have to be locked?

Can you walk around with it or are you supposed to be, "transporting it to and from the range/shop only?"
 
Shut up and take my money!

Any idea what the laws are in Oregon and/or Washington about transporting a weapon in this manner? Say, walking down the street with it in a bag?

I'm assuming you can't have a loaded mag inserted into the magwell??

Does the bag have to be locked?

Can you walk around with it or are you supposed to be, "transporting it to and from the range/shop only?"
Good question. With the ATF's pistol brace rule permanently enjoined a braced weapon is legally considered a pistol (or "firearm", depending on overall length), therefore carrying it should be no different than carrying a traditional pistol in the eyes of the law. That's the only real advantage braced pistols have over SBRs aside from the tax stamp / registration.

Now, reality is if you find yourself in a situation where you're whipping it out in defense of yourself or others, you will likely have some hurdles to clear. For one you might "appear to be" a bad guy from the perspective of bystanders because carrying a large firearm like that is not exactly mainstream. So, have a plan on how to handle yourself when first responders arrive on scene.

Also state courts could try to stick you with the brace vs stock situation - there it would depend on whether your state has its own definitions for rifle/pistol, and/or how much of a prick your prosecutor wants to be.
 
I gots one of them Ruger PC Carbines; Volquartsen hammer / shim kit, Tandemkross trigger (very seriously worth it), fancy red dot, and a handful of those 33rd mags. On the ammo side, I loaded up a pile of those RMR 124gr TCs with #7, velocity is a bit on the higher side, a tad.

Not every zombie apocalypse requires an AR :)
 

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