All Or Nothing Paradoxes.

[pharmseller]

Some of you guys use really big words.

I like it. It makes me warm all over.

















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[Bobbygun]

Anybody here share this strict view on other products that you use or consume?

I've seen some pretty strict views on products purchased from particular entities on this forum over the years. Had a guy practically stalking me for having the audacity to make a purchase from Midway USA. Right now, there is a thread going title "Shop Ruger.com?" right along the same lines.

 

[lucusloc]

Proponents of Carnivore diets will claim that their diet will promote the greatest health and lifespan for the person eating the diet.

Proponents of Vegan diets will claim that their diet will promote the greatest health and lifespan for the person eating the diet.

Which of the two diets will promote the greatest health and lifespan for the animals? I am going to side with the Vegan diet on this question.

A difference between the two diets is the carnivores are looking out for their own welfare while the vegans are looking out for their own welfare and the welfare of animals.

Yep, both diets can improve health, but the key realization is it is not the diet that does it, it is the care and attention paid to that health that does it. If you actually pay attention to your health and consciously make healthy decisions then your health will improve not matter what type of diet you choose. A healthy diet has two components and two components only; balanced calorie intake and proper nutritional availability. As long as you pay attention to those your health will improve as compared to not paying attention to those.

People willing to go on all kinds of strict diets are much better at paying attention to those to factors (whether they realize it or not) than people who are not exercising the discipline to maintain any kind of diet. The only vegans/carnivores who have problems are those that go on the diet and neglect nutritional balance (or in the extreme case wind up starving themselves with a calorie deficiency). But on the average they do have better health by simple virtue that they are paying attention to their health, not because of anything special about their diet.

(We are not getting into a discussion on how some diets are easier to balance, which could be the case. The point is that basically any type of diet can be balanced with sufficient effort).

 

[lucusloc]

I've seen some pretty strict views on products purchased from particular entities on this forum over the years. Had a guy practically stalking me for having the audacity to make a purchase from Midway USA. Right now, there is a thread going title "Shop Ruger.com?" right along the same lines.

Yeah, I have seen the "you have offended me, time to rally a boycott!" multiple times. I think boycotts are a tool of last resort, partially because they are difficult to truly pull off, and partially because they can sink smaller businesses and have a detrimental effect on the market space. If we all decided to boycott for every little perceived slight we quite quickly would find no one left to do business with.

 

[CamoDeafie]

"Company doesn't sell all products to all States? TIME TO BOYCOTT THEM!"

 

[JRuby]

"Company doesn't sell all products to all States? TIME TO BOYCOTT THEM!"

Like it's the business's fault - blame the state and local government for that not the business

 

[lucusloc]

"Company doesn't sell all products to all States? TIME TO BOYCOTT THEM!"

Yep. . . . good luck with that.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I've seen some (myself included) suggest gun and ammo companies completely cancel/stop selling products to State/Local governments if their products aren't available to sell to citizens... Barrett led the way with CA; don't know if they still won't sell to LAPD/State police

 

[pharmseller]

I don't shop at Bi Mart anymore.




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[Bobbygun]

I don't shop at Bi Mart anymore.




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That's definitely "rigid".

How about that Bi-Mart affiliated company? I think it's Cascade Outdoors. They're opening one in the Thurston area soon. Saw they had Buffalo 9mm on sale right now for $9.99/box and Federal Champion .22LR $19.99 for 325 rounds. Seems like pretty decent pricing. (Just as an example. I'm already flush for 9mm and .22LR.)

 

[OldBroad44]

No, the non-organics use targeted pesticides that they can use in smaller quantities and have less impact on non-target species. Organic farms use more broad-spectrum 'ciedes that are "natural" and considerably more toxic to other species like mammals (us, for example). Remember, just because it comes from nature does not mean it will not be quite effective at killing you dead. Nature has come up with some of the nastiest chemicals known to man, and their use in industrial agriculture is far worse for everyone than something engineered to do a specific job with as minimal impact as possible.

But, you know, "organic" and all.

Not really. While the "organic approved" pesticides may be better or worse than conventional ones on a case by case basis, in practice all the organic farms I know of in Willamette Valley or elsewhere don't use any herbicides or pesticides at all, organic approved or otherwise. This is partly because the organic approved pesticides and herbicides are usually either too ineffective to bother with or impractical to use at the scale necessary once you are growing for market. So organic growers use varieties that are genetically resistant and use crop rotations and watering cycles and row covers and transplanting to manage pests. And if a crop needs chemicals to grow in our area they grow something else. There are no organic soup peas grown in Willamette Valley for example. The reason is they get weavils. Big unappetizing grubs that occupy most of the seed and float on the top of the soup as a layer of bugs. So organic soup peas are grown elsewhere in the NW. Not here.

There is a problem that most or likely all "organic" food from China probably isnt. Organic produce is only as good as the inspection program. Here in Oregon the third party certifier is Oregon Tilth. They require detailed paperwork as well as annual inspections from the certifying agent. No such thing for foreign "organic" crops.

 

[Koda]

Proponents of Carnivore diets will claim that their diet will promote the greatest health and lifespan for the person eating the diet.

Proponents of Vegan diets will claim that their diet will promote the greatest health and lifespan for the person eating the diet.

Which of the two diets will promote the greatest health and lifespan for the animals? I am going to side with the Vegan diet on this question.

A difference between the two diets is the carnivores are looking out for their own welfare while the vegans are looking out for their own welfare and the welfare of animals.

Two points on this.
Humans are omnivores, so both diets are ultimately unhealthy.
Vegans are not looking out for the welfare of animals, (it would actually make it worse) that is a cover for their socialist political agenda (the same agenda that wants to remove your right to bear arms).


Discuss.

 

[arakboss]

Two points on this.
Humans are omnivores, so both diets are ultimately unhealthy.
Vegans are not looking out for the welfare of animals, (it would actually make it worse) that is a cover for their socialist political agenda (the same agenda that wants to remove your right to bear arms).


Discuss.

Maybe it's the carnivores looking out for animal welfare?

 

[Koda]

Maybe it's the carnivores looking out for animal welfare?

IMO everyone looks out for animal welfare. We have laws against animal abuse, domestic or wild. Nobody from any persuasion wants to see animals suffer.
FWIW, the social group that gives most to wildlife are hunters.

 

[arakboss]

IMO everyone looks out for animal welfare. We have laws against animal abuse, domestic or wild. Nobody from any persuasion wants to see animals suffer.
FWIW, the social group that gives most to wildlife are hunters.

Wildlife are fine. It's the factory animal farms where the compassion is in shorter supply.

 

[Certaindeaf]

"Company doesn't sell all products to all States? TIME TO BOYCOTT THEM!"

And conversely, California is why we all have $50,000+ wankmobiles.

 

[Koda]

Wildlife are fine. It's the factory animal farms where the compassion is in shorter supply.

We do have animal husbandry laws protecting animal abuse. One can argue we need more animal welfare laws, thats probably a noble cause.

 

[Certaindeaf]

The reason we got where we are is because we exploited animals, specifically bone marrow, which was the catalyst for our brain evolution.

 

[Flopsweat]

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There is a problem that most or likely all "organic" food from China probably isnt. Organic produce is only as good as the inspection program. Here in Oregon the third party certifier is Oregon Tilth. They require detailed paperwork as well as annual inspections from the certifying agent. No such thing for foreign "organic" crops.

After seeing the dog food and baby food scandals, I don't trust any food that comes from China.

 

[Xaevian]

After seeing the dog food and baby food scandals, I don't trust any food that comes from China.

Good call