Why I don't like the NRA...

[husker]

I get plenty of mail from the nra.Some times I send money to help out sometimes not.
It got me to thinking once. Dangerous thing for me. lol. We always here about laws they want to pass for gun rights .Some do pass and others dont. It seems like it always balances out in some way. A little give and take from bolth sides and enough hipe to make people nervous on bolth sides. Keeps money comeing in from people that want to fight for there rights.
Did you ever stop to think it might be orchestrated on bolth sides to keep money flowing in and make work for people.
I can just see bolth sides sitting in a room drinking beer and discusing what new ways they can come up with to get us to send more money for either cause.
Like wrestling. They put on a good show but how much is real. Not that wrestling is fake or anything.

 

[korntera]

Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?
A: Simply email us at [email protected] or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

I didn't know that, thanks for the tip!

 

[sparkly_flea]

I get plenty of mail from the nra.Some times I send money to help out sometimes not.
It got me to thinking once. Dangerous thing for me. lol. We always here about laws they want to pass for gun rights .Some do pass and others dont. It seems like it always balances out in some way. A little give and take from bolth sides and enough hipe to make people nervous on bolth sides. Keeps money comeing in from people that want to fight for there rights.
Did you ever stop to think it might be orchestrated on bolth sides to keep money flowing in and make work for people.
I can just see bolth sides sitting in a room drinking beer and discusing what new ways they can come up with to get us to send more money for either cause.
Like wrestling. They put on a good show but how much is real. Not that wrestling is fake or anything.

I'm pretty close to believing that's how politics work at the national level for everything but I'm trying not to be so cynical. They just keep the big party going playing us against each other to enrich themselves and distract us from real progress. It seems there is no way to get consensus on any issue without one side being "wrong" and the other being "right". There is no middle ground. Every issue is the end of the world if you don't believe as I do. I see it even here on this board.

I bet if you took ten of us, put us in a room, had us debate and decide an issue we could come to a consensus and agreement how to move forward. Yes there will be one guy at one extreme and one at the other but the other eight mill around in the middle somewhere and find common ground. All we hear are the people in the extremes egged on by those with money, power and damn big egos. We think it's real and get all riled up about it. The majority used to know wrestling was fake. Now we root for one side or the other to the death over a fixed match. I submit we are being played.

 

[fred c. dobbs]

,, I do not trust the NRA, they are to tight with Federal government, however banding together is the only way to prevent what is happening in UK and Australia from Happening in USA, cut and paiste this link, you will cry before it is over.

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[finch6013]

I hate watching that video.

 

[ZeroRing]

korntera...I agree. I do not want, or need, the trinkets they offer. On the other hand, they must make the trinkets available to the folks that might not join if they were not getting the trinkets.

What I did, over a lot of years, is, instead of sending them money for the latest-greatest Chinese-made NRA key-chain or knife offer, I sent them money to upgrade my Life Membership levels. I max-ed out at Benefactor, so now I recently bought my boy a life membership.

Again, they're not perfect, but what is imperfect to me might be the cats meow to the next guy. The NRA has a whole bunch of members that they would like to please.

WAYNO.

That's exactly what I did when I realized that yearly dues were just getting me new trinkets. I opted for the EPL (Easy Pay Life) option and made my yearly dues "payments" towards the Life Membership that I now am proud to have.

Yes, I agree that they aren't perfect but they are the biggest dog in the hunt right now and frankly, they aren't the ONLY dog I have in my particular pack. Nobody ever said you could only belong to ONE pro-2A group!

 

[treemanx]

,, I do not trust the NRA, they are to tight with Federal government, however banding together is the only way to prevent what is happening in UK and Australia from Happening in USA, cut and paiste this link, you will cry before it is over.

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WOW.I had never seen that video before. Hopefully Americans will stay awake and aware, and not allow themselves to get complacent enough to let this sort of thing happen. Thanks for posting this.

 

[Buddhalux]

Molon Labe!!

 

[dario541]

Here is the reason that the NRA is constantly asking for more money: The gun owner's number one ENEMY is the government! The government has an UNLIMITED budget to use against us! As the IRS will spend a million dollars to make one of us wage slaves cough up another few hundred bucks, other branches will spend whatever it takes to destroy us. Remember the new image of this country: The U$A!

 

[sillyrabbit]

Riot (your statements and then my comments)
Some people ask me why I haven't been an NRA member, even though I'm so pro-gun and pro-2nd Amendment. To be honest, I hate the politics involved. How much are you doing personally may I ask? ANY? Sure, if I ever got into a shooting I would be begging for the NRA to have my back, Ofcourse you would! and why? becaus you think they should even though you won't support them? Sounds a little Socialistic to me! regardless, what have they done to preserve my 2nd Amendment rights? What have you done may I ask? Do you call your Senators and Representatives weekly if not Daily? Do you write letters weekly if not daily? Emails? Smoke signals? Anything? Really? So what have you done?

Yes, I see the NRA in the news and used as the scapegoat for all Left-wing propaganda ending in turmoil. That's because they are doing something to defend our rights! Also, I do recognize the benefits in being an NRA member; having millions of members on your side of an issue tends to sway the votes in your direction. And yet you won't support the EXACT thing you state works and say you hate them? How interesting!

But what about being proactive? What about writing up bills that matter for the 2nd Amendment vs. against anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric? How about Heller? the sunset of Assault Weapons ban? Castle Doctrine? etc etc etc..... Did they write these themselves and make them happen exclusively? NO! Did they participate big time? Yes! Let me inquire.... what did YOU do? Anything?

Ever since I can remember, people on the pro-gun side have complained about "gun free zones". So, I have devised my own way to combat against those that post up signs and suddenly declare an area a "gun free zone".

How many gun manufacturers have been sued because their firearms were involved in a shooting? How about the bullet manufacturers? The left-wingers have pushed out black talons and the FN 5.7 FMJ rounds one bullet at a time, and now we can't even get modern rifle receivers shipped from overseas because everything is an AK-47 to them. You thread heading "why I hate the NRA".... so taking your heading seriously..... these are the NRA's fault?

So what can we do? GET INVOLVED! STOP BLAMING AND COMPLAINING AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING EVERY DAY! HOW'S THAT!

I propose the following...

Anyone that declares their house, place of business or any area a "gun free zone", they should be held liable for my safety. You heard it right...if I can legally carry a firearm in my state, but you force (force you?) me to disarm and I become a victim, (I personally take responsibility for my actions and my refusal to be or become a victim in any way necessary!) I (or my loved ones) should be able to sue you for Vicarious Liability or Wrongful Death. This is part of the problem..... NO one "forced" you to come into their house or place of business did they? yet you want to sue them for expressing their decisions? You want them (private individuals/homes and private businesses...... to give/honor you your rights but you don't want to honor their personal rights? How about personal responsibility on your part? Like don't go there if you don't like their attitude? Don't shop there? Don't frequent there? Tell your friends why your doing what your doing and if they believe as you/we do, suggest they avoid the locations as well..... AND tell these people, friends, businesses why your not participating!

I know what you're saying...this certainly won't stop the act from being committed, nor will this type of bureaucracy save you from being a victim. At the very least, however, this may deter more businesses/states/counties from creating their own laws by declaring some place a "gun free zone". Really? I would think that (unless we all join together to financially hurt their businesses) they will/would just ask you to shop somewhere else! I would and I'm on your side!

Thoughts? Opinions?

FYI, I am for other foundations and organizations that defend my 2nd Amendment rights...like the Second Amendment Foundation. Fantastic! Great! So do I! BUT... do you contribute and participate? I've heard of more stories of the SAF being proactive in the fight for my Constitutional rights than I ever have the NRA. Fantastic again! Did you help in some way? join? participate? donate? To put it plainly, the NRA will only step in if they can get a gross amount of press on it to boost membership. The SAF will actually use their membership dues to fight for the little guy. All of their dues? Really? they don't pay anyone anything? Not lobbyists? Legal counsel? Office staff? Rent? Phones? Overhead? Travel? Mailings? Printing? Anything? They just fight for the little guy exclusively? I love SAF and GOA and JPFO AND I belong and donate!!! yet I get constant correspondence from them asking for additional donations or other participation. hmmm..... you'll probably say they learned that from the NRA?

Riot....... You started this thread, so I'm not singling you out NOR do I disagree with many things you say, but instead of complaining about one or the other organizations, how about working inside the system to change it (to your liking)? How about joining the NRA and running for office and change the way they do business! How about ALL of us doing that? How about encouraging ALL of your gun owning friends into joining SOME ORGANIZATION that supports our rights! Whether it be NRA, GOA, JPFO or SAF? or others. How about participating DAILY in any small way possible? Then, we will have earned the right to complain and say what someone or some organizations isn't doing right! What do you think?

 

[raindog]

I am an endowment member. The NRA is not perfect by any means. Some of the gimcracks they send, the sweepstakes, the "surveys", the frequent mailings, etc. are cheesy, but they are typical for any major organization.

However, I don't know that any other organization that does as much. There are some cons, but overall I think they're outweighed by the pros.

Also, I'd point out that the NRA is a lot more than just a lobbying organization.

 

[Weathermaker]

Just a by the way. I belong to the NRA and also the Gun Owners of America. GOA is a very good 'gun rights' organization also.

No frills, trinkets or magazines...but decent newsletters and they send pre-made postcards specifically for your legislators when something is in the wind that is anti-gun.

Give them a look: http://gunowners.org/

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[.45's and .38's]

After being encouraged by me, my girlfriend suggested exactly this at her work place. She's an engineer for a small company {<20 employees} who's office manager had a fit on learning she {girlfriend} was carrying at work. The office manger tried really hard to establish a no firearms office policy but was unsuccessful partly due to my supplying local ccw laws and links {courtesy of the NRA} to stories on the Oklahoma case of a company being sued for firing employees who had guns in their cars. And it probably didn't hurt that the CEO from California was fired and replace by a guy fron Texas

Along the same line of thought, if a burglar's family can sue me for shooting him in my house, shouldn't I be able to sue his family for the damage, loss and trauma to my household?

Man, that makes sense. Im not being sarcastic it really makes sense.

 

[EUGENE the REALTOR]

to sillyrabbit.

It's the first thing I say to someone who complains about something they're passionate about. "What have YOU done to help the issue? If you haven't tried to help in any way, shut up!"

 

[Riot]

How about Heller? the sunset of Assault Weapons ban? Castle Doctrine? etc etc etc..... Did they write these themselves and make them happen exclusively? NO! Did they participate big time? Yes! Let me inquire.... what did YOU do? Anything?

I support the SAF (which did more to support the DC vs Heller case than the NRA ever did or will). Also, the AWB EXPIRED. There was no anti-AWB bill that ever got signed. In fact, President Bush even stated that he would renew the AWB if it passed his desk without any changes to it...so I ask, where was the NRA between the years of 1994 and 2004? I guess they were just basking in all the money from membership dues from people pissed about the AWB! So, there you have it, some gun legislation is actually good for business if you're in charge of the NRA.

"Help fight for your gun rights to get rid of the Assault Weapons Ban, send us money so we can fight the anti-gun legislation!"

So I ask, where, in fact, did all that money go? Banquets? Selling off Senators so that they vote they way they want them to vote? Is this really the way we should be doing things in the first place, or should we be bringing the entire corrupt system to light? I don't know...maybe if I were in the top dog seat getting MILLIONS from membership dues and donations, I guess I would actually like the way things were running and wouldn't want to change a thing...

How many gun manufacturers have been sued because their firearms were involved in a shooting? How about the bullet manufacturers? The left-wingers have pushed out black talons and the FN 5.7 FMJ rounds one bullet at a time, and now we can't even get modern rifle receivers shipped from overseas because everything is an AK-47 to them. You thread heading "why I hate the NRA".... so taking your heading seriously..... these are the NRA's fault?

Actually I think it is more of the members' fault for not demanding more from a million dollar organization.

So what can we do? GET INVOLVED! STOP BLAMING AND COMPLAINING AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING EVERY DAY! HOW'S THAT!

I am doing something, I'm trying to wake people up from the sheeple mentality that maybe, just maybe, rich CEOs might not have your best interest in mind.

Power corrupts my friend, and I think the NRA has lost the true track of what they were designed to do. We have lost SO MUCH in the name of "safety and security". What about legislations that drive us in the offensive direction instead of the defensive one?

Why? Because it costs money...lots and lots of money.

So, I post this thread in hopes that maybe people will expect more from their NRA dues than a free knife or a subscription to a magazine for hunting products.

Anyone that declares their house, place of business or any area a "gun free zone", they should be held liable for my safety. You heard it right...if I can legally carry a firearm in my state, but you force (force you?) me to disarm and I become a victim, (I personally take responsibility for my actions and my refusal to be or become a victim in any way necessary!) I (or my loved ones) should be able to sue you for Vicarious Liability or Wrongful Death. This is part of the problem..... NO one "forced" you to come into their house or place of business did they? yet you want to sue them for expressing their decisions? You want them (private individuals/homes and private businesses...... to give/honor you your rights but you don't want to honor their personal rights? How about personal responsibility on your part? Like don't go there if you don't like their attitude? Don't shop there? Don't frequent there? Tell your friends why your doing what your doing and if they believe as you/we do, suggest they avoid the locations as well..... AND tell these people, friends, businesses why your not participating!

You lost me here. All I'm asking it for accountability. People fail to realize that we carry firearms to defend ourselves and our loved ones, when they take that right away from us, they take away our ability to defend ourselves. Therefore, I think they should be held accountable for our safety, that is all I'm saying. Your logic of "don't frequent there" to me is like saying if you don't like the laws in your state, then you should move. Here you are asking me what I have done to fight for my rights, yet you take the passive approach and slam me for everything I've written in this thread versus keeping an open mind.

 

[Riot]

Molon Labe!!

x2

 

[fingolfen]

What's the NRA doing to preserve your gun rights???

McDonald v. Chicago - there was also an NRA v. Chicago, but McDonald was the one chosen to go forward - case to get the Second Amendment incorporated under the 14th. PIVOTAL case...

Filed a brief - overwhelming bipartisan majority of the members of Congress and Senate have signed it...

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How's that for starters???

Second Amendment Foundation is also strongly supporting the effort on McDonald.

GOA's still wringing its hands over the Health Care debate and hasn't said "boo" about McDonald that I've seen...

... and for the record...

Lifetime member of NRA
Lifetime member of GOA
Regularly support OFF and Second Amendment Foundation

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

I'm a BIG fan of making the forced "Gun Free Zones" liable for Vicarious Liability or Wrongful Death.

It would be different if they weren't a "Gun Free Zone".. but seeings how they are making you disarm..
They indeed should be liable.

With as crazy as some of the courts ANTI gun cases are now and the Anti-Castle doctrine BS it seems only right that pro-gun..heck "pro-self and community protection persons" have a right as well!

 

[michaels]

The last post from riot kind of sums up why i don't give money to non profits.

So I ask, where, in fact, did all that money go? Banquets? Selling off Senators so that they vote they way they want them to vote? Is this really the way we should be doing things in the first place, or should we be bringing the entire corrupt system to light? I don't know...maybe if I were in the top dog seat getting MILLIONS from membership dues and donations, I guess I would actually like the way things were running and wouldn't want to change a thing...

Why do i want to pay someone's salary?

I do not like lobbying, i do not want to support it.

There really is a true disconnect between the american people and it's government.

Especially when people think the way to have their voices heard is to throw money to any group.

 

[bugeye]

The last post from riot kind of sums up why i don't give money to non profits.




Why do i want to pay someone's salary?

I do not like lobbying, i do not want to support it.

There really is a true disconnect between the american people and it's government.

Especially when people think the way to have their voices heard is to throw money to any group.

I don't like lobbying either, but if you don't play it will still go on. The NRA is one of the few lobby's representing gun owners. I have the same problem, so I didn't join but I give them money, sort of dumb but it works for me and I don't get any mail.