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It always does. Memories are amazingly short though. Many of us have lived through multiple panic shortages and watch as people who also lived through them learned nothing.
That's why I cast one .357 bullet, with, or with out an HP core. I load it in 9mm, or .38spl.Cause 9mm is where it's at! All my handguns are chambered in 9mm for a reason.
Well, with any luck now the market has maxed at approx 7% ownership in the US, the planned and financed nationwide charging system was NOT built and a few vehicle mfgs. Have cancelled certain EV projects I'm thinking the EV market is being left to die a quiet death.I was reading that because of the move to electric vehicles there will be a copper shortage lasting 10 years.
My guess would be big overstocks. Massive shortage so massive production. Then it caught up so now overstocked. None of the other pistol calibers come close in popularity except .22. .22 is back down to 5-7 cpr now too. I can't imagine they ramped up production of the other calibers as much. All guessing though.Now that Im a few years out of 9mm.... of course this is how it goes.
Ive been seeing 9mm consistently going for around $250/1000 in a number of places for different brands.... But things like .40 & .45, etc are not coming down in price... those being over $400/1000
I thought maybe its just common/popular caliber and that more production capacity is given to it... but the same should be true of 5.56 but that is still over $400/1000
Whats up?
Maybe Im just salty because its so cheap now and everything I shoot is still 2x as much, but seems odd
cheaper if you load it and you get a lot more on hand.Word , .380 is spendy and scarce
Not sure where you're getting your 380acp but I just picked up some for $10.45 a box just a few weeks ago. Most I've paid even recently is $17 a box.I was thinking along those lines at the Outdoor Show a few weeks back. 50 round boxes: 9mm for $13 and .380 ACP for $22. That cheaper box sure seemed to weigh out like it had more materials involved. Fortunately, the only .380s in my gun safe have 7 or 8 shot magazines. That slows my people down.
I think they (ammunition producers) learned from the previous shortage and demand spike. It took forever for them to catch up last time and .22 was crazy scarce. Seems like this time around they are leaving the machines set and running hell bent. Changing a machine over for less popular calibers is expensive I would imagine. 12 gage same story. It's interesting to say the least.My guess would be big overstocks. Massive shortage so massive production. Then it caught up so now overstocked. None of the other pistol calibers come close in popularity except .22. .22 is back down to 5-7 cpr now too. I can't imagine they ramped up production of the other calibers as much. All guessing though.
LOL. Look at the date of my post. That was last year's Outdoor Show at the Bi-Mart display. Unfortunately, I didn't make it there this year to see the current damage, but $10.45 a box does sound like a great deal. I bought a bunch off of a member of the forum last year, so I don't really need any more for the foreseeable future. I also have at least a thousand bullets, primers, powder and plenty of brass on hand, just in case.cheaper if you load it and you get a lot more on hand.
Not sure where you're getting your 380acp but I just picked up some for $10.45 a box just a few weeks ago. Most I've paid even recently is $17 a box.
Yeah I noticed that after I posted it. LOL sadly that higher price is still around at a lot of stores still.LOL. Look at the date of my post. That was last year's Outdoor Show at the Bi-Mart display. Unfortunately, I didn't make it there this year to see the current damage, but $10.45 a box does sound like a great deal. I bought a bunch off of a member of the forum last year, so I don't really need any more for the foreseeable future. I also have at least a thousand bullets, primers, powder and plenty of brass on hand, just in case.
.48 per round for 9mm and .11 per round for .22 is incorrect in the way people use it. . No one is talking about sd rounds. It's about the cheapest fmj, usually brass cased. 9mm is about $.24-$.26 and .22 lr is about $.05-$.07 right now.Just for sh!ts&giggles I decided to enter current (March 2024) ammo prices into a database to see where we're at. Sharing the results. The data was derived from (1) eight online companies (2) using their lowest sale price for a particular type of ammo. Not exhaustive, but hopefully indicative.
With respect to 9mm specifically I came up with the following:
>> Average price per round at 48¢
>> Highest cost per round was $2 (Black Hills HoneyBadger Subsonic 125 grain using Lehigh Xtreme Defense bullets, 20-round box)
>> Lowest cost per round was 26¢ (Herter's Target Handgun 115 grain, 500 rounds)
Following is data for select cartridges in case anyone's interested. The column "data points" indicates how many different offerings were included in the calculations for that cartridge. Some cartridges were scarce and so only a few data points, but I included those anyway for reference.
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Since the info is in a database queries by cartridge type and ammo brand can be run, as per the example below showing average cost per round for Hornady ammo in the 7mm-08 cartridge, so if any special requests please advise.
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Note that the data is not attempting to focus only on cheapest. It is just a compilation of what's in stock and for sale. You referenced 22LR. Shown below is a representative sample of 22LR data (not all of it) to show the wide range of what is currently available, at least from the online retailers that were included..48 per round for 9mm and .11 per round for .22 is incorrect in the way people use it. . No one is talking about sd rounds. It's about the cheapest fmj, usually brass cased. 9mm is about $.24-$.26 and .22 lr is about $.05-$.07 right now.
None of that is needed at all. It takes seconds to look at gun deals or retailers who have good prices to see what 9 mm and 22lrammo costs.Note that the data is not attempting to focus only on cheapest. It is just a compilation of what's in stock and for sale. You referenced 22LR. Shown below is a representative sample of 22LR data (not all of it) to show the wide range of what is currently available, at least from the online retailers that were included.
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None of that is needed at all. It takes seconds to look at gun deals or retailers who have good prices to see what 9 mm and 22lrammo costs.
No argument from me. "Need" has nothing to do with it. Just sharing information for the sake of those who may find interest in the data. If not for you you're good to go. Enjoy either way.None of that is needed at all. It takes seconds to look at gun deals or retailers who have good prices to see what 9 mm and 22lrammo costs.
Yup, 9mm is a widely used police dept caliber.It's probably popularity. 9mm, 22lr and 5.56 is the first to disappear, it makes sense it is the first to return.
In manufacturing of anything, the more of it you make, the cheaper it gets per item to make. A lot of people have a hard time wrapping their head around this. A good example is something like .32 or .380. Smaller, uses less material to make, is often almost twice the price. Its because its not made in anything close to the same amount. When we have one of our panics and ammo is gone, the stuff that is sold the most of is of course where the factories will put the highest priority. So things like 9mm come back first.Yup, 9mm is a widely used police dept caliber.
Yep. It's called 'economy of scale'.In manufacturing of anything, the more of it you make, the cheaper it gets per item to make. A lot of people have a hard time wrapping their head around this. A good example is something like .32 or .380. Smaller, uses less material to make, is often almost twice the price. Its because its not made in anything close to the same amount. When we have one of our panics and ammo is gone, the stuff that is sold the most of is of course where the factories will put the highest priority. So things like 9mm come back first.