- Messages
- 673
- Reactions
- 1,447
You want people to act right? Go back to hanging people that need it and restoring everyone else's rights fully after they have served their time. People will act right.....
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
And what is a "crime"? With the ever increasing number of malum prohibitumWell, the whole issue would have been moot if the guy hadn't committed a crime in the first place!!!
You want people to act right? Go back to hanging people that need it and restoring everyone else's rights fully after they have served their time. People will act right.....
Not unless we go through some very hard times.
This is the perfect answer. Short of this everyone will not 'act right'. (Even with this there will still likely be some problems). I wish we could get to doing things this way, but I never foresee our country being able to to it.
You are mixing apples and oranges.And what is a "crime"? With the ever increasing number of malum prohibitum
"laws", many of which are "felonies", how do you ever really know if you're committing a "crime"?
Let's face it, there is no level of unconstitutional infringement that many would not tolerate as long as it was properly codified as "law".
Add public shaming and caning to that mix and you'll be on to something.You want people to act right? Go back to hanging people that need it and restoring everyone else's rights fully after they have served their time. People will act right.....
Like it or not, right or wrong, driving a car and owning a gun are not comparable in our country. Again, I'm not taking a stance on the comparison. But it's true.
My view is that we have too many things that can make us felons. Pick up a feather. Ooops, it is a Bald Eagle feather. You are a felon (most, certain original peoples are OK, as are certain others)
Same with those convictions which have a 366 days incarceration possible, therefore this is the equivalent of a felony.
A guy I work with, 30 yrs ago committed a felony. Only convicted because his pastor and parents convinced him to confess. Could have gotten a misdemeanor charge. He was 17-18. Now in his 50s, ... been a law abiding resident ... (if you can't vote or serve on juries are you really a citizen)
I believe the problem is wanting to get as much of the pound of flesh as possible. And, that prosecutors in order to get plea bargains accepted, like to use the big stick.
YepYep! Long ago I almost plead guilty to a misdemeanor Domestic charge. Girl I was living with was quite the drinker. Now and then she would come home blasted, and get a little out of hand. One night she started throwing a few loose items at me since I would not react as she wanted. Law rolls up, she said I grabbed her. I said yes, I took the lamp she was trying to crown me with away. LEO's wanted one of us to leave, I had zero problems with that. Said that was what I was trying to do that set her off. They cited both for Domestic, ticket to show up in court. I left her, when my date came up I showed. Judge was trying to get me to plead no contest, and just pay a fine. I said no. He tried real hard. I said no. I want a court date. She never showed. They set court date. I come in they give excuses why they had to postpone. Again tried to get me to plead, said they would just drop it for "court costs", some simple amount. I was temped to do so. I was stubborn and said no again. 3d time I show up in court they drop it all. I had to keep missing work for this and it was a PITA. Then many years later they passed that "new law" that anyone convicted of what they were trying to get me to plead to, no more guns. Many LEO's got caught up in this. Made me glad I had not taken that plea they so tried to get me to take.
The majority of gun owners support this. Throw out all kinds of red herrings about why they are all in on rights really being privileges. What it comes down to is no law has yet hit them. As soon as one does they will be screaming about "rights" and will be reminded they were all in on there being no such thing. Its a bill of privileges, not rights. Of course by then it's too late but they will get what they asked for.
The Gun Control Act of 1968 brought that about.Does anybody know when/where the concept of forfeiting ones rights, not just 2A, started? I'm not kidding... I happen to be very ignorant on this as felon's loss of rights is just something I've always accepted. 1950s generation, Perry Mason, Joe Friday, Highway Patrol, Lone Ranger, sense of right and wrong. Sure it happened a long time before I was weaned.
Wow, in my lifetime... So sad my parents generation didn't fight this...The Gun Control Act of 1968 brought that about.
They likely trusted their Government...I doubt most would be able to say that today.Wow, in my lifetime... So sad my parents generation didn't fight this...
You are mixing apples and oranges.
First of all this guy knew exactly what he was doing--Defrauding the government out of money. This is not a case of I thought that I had a muzzle brake and the cop called it a flash-hider (That was a California thing)
It is one thing to get busted for a law that is impossible to follow or if a fellow not being aware of a new or changed law. But in this guy's case he willfully broke the law. Any court would hold that it is common knowledge that stealing money is against the law and that law is Malum in se, so there is no excuse for this guy's action.
He made his choice and must take the consequences.
Wow, in my lifetime... So sad my parents generation didn't fight this...
Understood... one should never trade freedom and liberty for perceived safety...first a POTUS was shot in front of a crowd. Then one of his brothers. There was only the 3 networks. Algore had not invented the internet. People were screaming for "something to be done". Not much has really changed. Look how many gun owners are still all in on more laws?
Understood... one should never trade freedom and liberty for perceived safety...
Wow, in my lifetime... So sad my parents generation didn't fight this...
Does anybody know when/where the concept of forfeiting ones rights, not just 2A, started?
The Gun Control Act of 1968 brought that about.