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Just tip them over. Always fun to watch turtles turtling.
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I'm sorry but can you remind me of what the bullet has to go thru to get to the pelvis?
And aren't there many arteries that carry blood to the digestive system and reproductive systems?
Who needs to break the pelvis?
I would think you would want to go to center mass to get the guy on the ground. A head shot ,unless you are a perfect shot,can send rounds into the crowd down range. Center mass would be easier to hit,then when the BG is on the ground,the parts without armor are exposed to you better.
If you have had a hernia operation in your lower abdomen,then you understand why I wouldn't hesitate to try to shoot below the vest
Any round can penetrate body armor. Armor is not 100%.There isn't enough good meat to stop an attacker from continuing to attack if shot in the pelvic region.
Like I said, the very adrenalin that is driving you in your response is driving the attacker as well. The body armor is going to stop those pistol rounds and while the person may feel them, they are going to be in an adrenalized state of existence that at the moment will tell the brain to disregard those messages of pain and allow them to continue fighting. If that adrenalin is also fueled by drugs; then the attacker may feel nothing at all.
Being shot in the pelvis would take you some time to bleed out; unless you hit the femoral artery. And I don't mean just nicked it, you gotta blow it in half.
You don't have to be a perfect shot to hit them in the head. I train students to make head shots while moving all the time. Could you miss? Sure. Would you hit a friendly? Maybe, but my guess is there won't be a crowd around a madman who is shooting people. Your bullets will find a home if you show them the way.
Getting hit with anything above a .25ACP in the chest with soft body armor is like the Doc said Being hit in the chest with a full swing baseball bat. A number of people have been killed just by the absorption penetrating deep enough into the chest to damage the heart or collapse a lung. Nothing to be casual about at all...
For Police yes, they go towards these situations.
But what we have seen is that often the Bad Guys just take their own lives when confronted.
Since I am not a LEO, my goals remain the same - I want the situation to stop, and the best way may be for me to leave ... and to fight my way out only as necessary.
One thing competition shoots reveals, is that if you are waiting to asses where you hit - did you hit steel and wait for it to fall - then you are reacting to the situation and behind the curve.
Even if you can not kill them, just showing a FA may just buy you a second or two. And what are you trying to accomplish. If you are planning to kill them, then I recommend you have a discussion with a lawyer. I have the mind set of stopping them - stopping the situation. I believe we have enough potential for this that a hand gun is a necessity. But I want to stay alert enough - to think like Jackie Chan - that I can use what is available to get out of the situation.
What will your situation demand? If you can't leave, can you get into a supported position? Will you have cover, or just concealment?
Ie, crouch or kneel behind a concrete planter - using the planter to support your weapon?
If you need to go prone and shoot under a car, could you - have you in training? If you shoot the floor just in front of their feet, where will the fragments of your bullet go? Have you ever shot the side or top of one of those plastic barrels at a range - where does your bullet go aftre that?
Can you hit an 8 in target at distance when supported? A moving 8 in target?
What if the bad guy is just your typical American - you know - FAT. Similar to the body armor - just a bit less protective. Will your handgun & round choice generate enough energy to stop them, now. So they know they are stopped? Or, might it kill them, but they are not dead yet - taking seconds or minutes to die?
Can you hit a moving 8in target at distance while you are moving?
If it comes down to it and you have to fire, any hits on the BG are good for you.
A solid hit to the hip bone wont kill someone immediately, but it will turn them from a two-legged psycho into a one-legged psycho. No matter how crazy they might be or what kind of drugs they are on, taking one of their legs away will put them onto the ground and make it pretty tough for them to get back up. And if you miss bone, you might still hit an artery or blow their junk off.If you were sure that the target was wearing a vest and were presented with a frontal pelvic shot I would take it. The shape of the pelvis will act like a scoop and direct the round up into the vitals, or so I have been taught.
A solid hit to the hip bone wont kill someone immediately, but it will turn them from a two-legged psycho into a one-legged psycho. No matter how crazy they might be or what kind of drugs they are on, taking one of their legs away will put them onto the ground and make it pretty tough for them to get back up. And if you miss bone, you might still hit an artery or blow their junk off.
I hunt rabbits with my carry piece. Great practice when they are running. Gotta be spot on to get one and it's great practice on moving targets. Good eating as well. I'm aiming for a rabbit head and hitting most. Shooting at a terrorist's head uses the same skills but it's a larger target.