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Ain't that the truth! My first 30-30 (Standard Winchester 94) was incredibly accurate. 100 yard jack rabbits with the stock sights was easy. And while not 30-30 my Winchester trapper in .357 is equally as accurate. I recently PO'd a friend for 'emptying' the 100 + yard jugs of water with it he had set up and was missing with his .308 Ruger - again with the stock sights. I all fairness though he had only recently got the Ruger and did not have it completely dialed in yet. I am hoping to get the same results with my 'newest' Winchester, an octagon barreled Mod 94 which I am still getting used to and working up a load for.It has prompted some Great Reconsiderations regarding what is necessary (moneywise and otherwise) for accuracy.