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We need to understand that the spirit of IP43 is still alive and well!! It will be back during the next legislature. We need to be aware, mobilized, and motivated. If we lose the 2nd, we will lose the Country. Just follow the timeline of events since LBJ if you don't believe me!! If we lose the 2nd, it is only a matter of decades before it is "Welcome to Cuba"!Boy they sure are butthurt aren't they....
Better stand up to these bullies or they will own you for life!!!
Would it really be more like "BienvenidosWe need to understand that the spirit of IP43 is still alive and well!! It will be back during the next legislature. We need to be aware, mobilized, and motivated. If we lose the 2nd, we will lose the Country. Just follow the timeline of events since LBJ if you don't believe me!! If we lose the 2nd, it is only a matter of decades before it is "Welcome to Cuba"!
I don't think Mexico jails thousands of political prisoners. Think about it. IP43 would have made thousands of us felons, if we did not surrender or register our firearms. Would that not be the same as being a political prisoner?? It is fun to joke, but look where we are. We have an overt coup d' etat going on against a duly elected President. The Left is openly using the term "Democratic Socialist". IP43 is going to be back, in one form or another. It is part of the "plan".Would it really be more like "Bienvenidos
da la Mexico"...
There's certainly activities being conducted within and outside of our government to unseat a duly electedI don't think Mexico jails thousands of political prisoners. Think about it. IP43 would have made thousands of us felons, if we did not surrender or register our firearms. Would that not be the same as being a political prisoner?? It is fun to joke, but look where we are. We have an overt coup d' etat going on against a duly elected President. The Left is openly using the term "Democratic Socialist". IP43 is going to be back, in one form or another. It is part of the "plan".
These mid-terms are probably the most important in most of our lifetimes, it's an opportunity to re-affirm the election of the president. Democrats gaining any power in the House or Senate would be a clear rebuke of the 2016 elections.
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Get out the vote!!! Because millennial's and Gen Z have no clue what will be unleashed upon them if the Democratic Socialists get power... They've not yet learned the lessons older generations watched unfold... Think about Poland, just a few decades ago... Or Venezuela today... or any other socialist empire that crumbled under its own weight.
I need caffeine!!!!
I'm still not worried if republicans get replaced by democrats. Oregon won't change, I'll still go to work, get paid, and go home.
Even if another version of IP43 passes, I have a plan, and 99.9% of it will be going to work, then going home and doing 99.9% of what I did before, in the way I did it before.
I run CNC mills and do CAD/CAM for a living. And while I would like to continue buying what I am currently able to, I'm neither planning or investing in that future.
Also, as much as I might like or dislike individual issues, I have a respect for what the majority of the citizens in this country deem necessary. Misguided, unconstitutional, both or neither, if it somehow passes the checks and balances, its there, for better or worse.
If IP43 passed, it would be up to us as individuals as to whether or not we went to jail. And I was not particularly worried about 'them' coming for me. Nobody knows whats in my safe excepy me. And gas chambers? Come on.
Also, I'm not sure how a 'regime' would suddenly take over and start killing citizens if we lost the rights IP43 or similar bills propose. Least of which would be a democratic socialist government all of a sudden turning into a racist nationalist government. Why kill someone when they can just collect money from those with unlicensed guns?
Most people seem to believe that life as we know it can continue without access to what they call assault style rifles, so they belive an attempt to limit access is the right thing to.
Both sides claim to be right, only time will tell. Best thing to do is prepare for the worst.
I have recently been in touch with a Henry Wessinger, the main sponsor of IP44. One of the things I suggested to him was to make theft of a firearm a felony. Not criminalize the victim of property theft. I also pointed out, that at least in Josephine County, property crimes are very low priority, if even prosecuted. What good is a reporting requirement if law enforcement is not going to act on it. He claimed 44 did not criminalize owners and did not violate the 4th Amendment. I read it differently. 44 and its like is a nuisance and inconvenience, but not the killer 43 would have been. (will be) It should be opposed and defeated, if possible. But I fear Ura-Ki is correct in his assessment in the post above.The host claims that Kevin Starret was invited to join the conversation and "flat refused". I'd like to hear Kevin's side of this. I've never known him to shy away.
Here is their website - it's always interesting how "grassroots" campaigns are always funded and led by the wealthy. Oregonians for Safe Gun Storage
On their updates page, where we can keep track of them, they claim some interesting statistics that should be fact checked. They also run down NRA's "Eddie Eagle" safety program.
I have recently been in touch with a Henry Wessinger, the main sponsor of IP44. One of the things I suggested to him was to make theft of a firearm a felony. Not criminalize the victim of property theft. I also pointed out, that at least in Josephine County, property crimes are very low priority, if even prosecuted. What good is a reporting requirement if law enforcement is not going to act on it. He claimed 44 did not criminalize owners and did not violate the 4th Amendment. I read it differently. 44 and its like is a nuisance and inconvenience, but not the killer 43 would have been. (will be)
Henry the "grassroots millionaire heir" told several half truths and a few flat out lies in his interview, among them that IP-44 would not have resulted in criminal penalties for gun owners. He isn't our friend and I doubt he can be reasoned with.
I do agree that firearm theft should be a felony regardless of value. I also think that people who try to take away or diminish the civil rights of US citizens, and especially enumerated rights, should lose their citizenship and dumped off at the nearest border. I think he'd be happier with the "common sense" gun laws of Canada anyway.
Henry the "grassroots millionaire heir" told several half truths and a few flat out lies in his interview, among them that IP-44 would not have resulted in criminal penalties for gun owners. He isn't our friend and I doubt he can be reasoned with.
I do agree that firearm theft should be a felony regardless of value. I also think that people who try to take away or diminish the civil rights of US citizens, and especially enumerated rights, should lose their citizenship and dumped off at the nearest border. I think he'd be happier with the "common sense" gun laws of Canada anyway.