Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[ilikegunspdx]

If you want to see the most ridiculous demonstration of how one party is using guns to motivate (ie manipulate through lies) their voters watch this 30 second ad for Mike Schmidt, Portland DA.

Apparently machine gun Betty and the NRA are trying to take over the state. Says he is stopping gun violence when in Pdx we have record shootings. He also let the murderer who killed a trump supporter in cold blood go after caught with illegal weapon. Then after fed Marshall's hunted him down schmidt said it was "sad". bubbleguming ridiculous!

Reject Nathan Vasquez

Who's really behind DA candidate Nathan Vasquez?

www.rejectvasquez.com

 

[iron_road]

We are outnumbered in the state. The state is composed of Portland Metro, Eugene, Salem, Bend and the Red Landmass. Perhaps we should focus on get out the vote efforts in the Red Landmass and debate to win new voters in the cities. The cities are becoming more chaotic. The saner residents might be open to rethinking

Problem with that is a lot of the folks in the city metro area that are open to their minds changing. They're surrounded by mob mentality idealouges in their post graduate years.

Daryl Davis is Blackman who deradicalized over 200 Klansmen of the KKK. He was a guest on the TIMCAST IRL Podcast, outside they had people protesting their mere presence at a venue, a major metro area. He tried talking with one of these folks. All they did is shout louder than him and drown him out with noise calling him a traitor to his kind and what not. He said and I quote "It's nothing like I've ever seen." after coming back into the venue. Now here's the thing, when you got weak leaders and prosecutors like Ted Wheeler and Tim Schmitt and they just let stuff like the May 29 riots slide. People just keep their mouths shut. Because we're not in a society where the rule of law is being applied equally.

 

[iron_road]

I think what you're not taking into account is that the break down of the number of registered voters in their respective parties does not actually represent the types of people that reside in OR.

More conservative thinking people are, by their nature, more apathetic toward "causes" and actively participating in the election process. Liberals are much more emotionally driven toward activism.

IE., If the population is split exactly 50/50, there will be a significantly higher number of liberals registered to vote than conservatives. Of those that are registered, the percentages of those that actually voted would have also been higher on the liberals side than the conservative. (Being registered doesn't automatically mean they are actually voting)

That doesn't necessarily mean that conservatives are "outnumbered" so much as they are not as emotionally driven and are less likely to represent their values and interests in the voting booth to the same degree that liberals typically do.

When we're talking about M114, it barely passed by 20,000 votes out of a state population of 4.25million. It is more than reasonable to suggest that... IF... more conservative folks had bothered to register and participate in the voting process that those 20,000 votes may have easily been overridden and M114 would have failed.

I believe that's what others are alluding to. Compared to liberals, a much higher percentage of conservatives are gun owners. It makes it highly likely that if more conservatives would participate in the voting process then the pro-2A side of the voting block would be better represented and these types of infringements wouldn't be possible.

One thing I think killed conservative turn out in midterms and the 2020 election was Trump going out there saying dumb stuff like "It's rigged" like you're effectively messaging to people who would have voted for you "what's the point?" Furthermore we are so self defeatist in this state, how many people didn't turn their Oregon ballot in because they thought the fix was in only to see it m114 passed by mere tenths of percentages? And then we have the gall to say "Welp Portland carried the vote!"

 

[nammac]

If you want to see the most ridiculous demonstration of how one party is using guns to motivate (ie manipulate through lies) their voters watch this 30 second ad for Mike Schmidt, Portland DA.

Apparently machine gun Betty and the NRA are trying to take over the state. Says he is stopping gun violence when in Pdx we have record shootings. He also let the murderer who killed a trump supporter in cold blood go after caught with illegal weapon. Then after fed Marshall's hunted him down schmidt said it was "sad". bubbleguming ridiculous!

Reject Nathan Vasquez

Who's really behind DA candidate Nathan Vasquez?

www.rejectvasquez.com

So Mike Schmitshow has decided to do something because it's an election year???? Just another democrat tool…. Vote Him Out!!!! No more George Soros lackies…. Period…

 

[The Heretic]

Ask

Can we Please limit the debate about who/what/why/when/where and how voting would have affected this legislation and get back on topic about the litigation?

I want to stay subbed to this thread so I can see any updates on the litigation, not have those updates buried in endless debate about the voting which is in the past.

Thank you.

ETA: https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...d-by-24-972-votes.434267/page-19#post-3844683

 

[dancinghippos]

My apologies. I wanted people who would like to get involved reach out to me by PM.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

So Mike Schmitshow has decided to do something because it's an election year???? Just another democrat tool…. Vote Him Out!!!! No more George Soros lackies…. Period…

Case dropped against man who allegedly smashed 34-pound rock on woman’s head outside Portland mental health center

Although Dwayne Simpson can’t be prosecuted, he has been sent to the state psychiatric hospital for up to two years.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[lucusloc]

Case dropped against man who allegedly smashed 34-pound rock on woman’s head outside Portland mental health center

Although Dwayne Simpson can’t be prosecuted, he has been sent to the state psychiatric hospital for up to two years.

www.oregonlive.com

I get that there were some serious problems with the old mental care institutions, but maybe abolishing them all together was not the best solution. It is becoming more and more apparent that we will need to bring back the insane asylums if we want a permanent and sustainable solution to this crisis. Maybe one solution to the problems of abuse is to open up the system to 3rd party watchdogs who can go through and check on everything from care to to facilities to patients for adherence to any applicable laws, principles and guidelines as well as a robust system to restore rights and freedoms where appropriate.

 

[The Heretic]

Leaving

 

[Rkangel]

Yes, outnumbered. Not sure why there's this asinine belief that if ALL gun owners voted Republican that somehow 114 wouldn't have passed. We're outnumbered here. Only about 23%-28% of WA and OR are gun owners.....over 60% of people in Idaho are gun owners.

It's simple math. No stolen ballots, no lazy voters.....just outnumbered. It baffles me that there are people here who just can't grasp this simple concept.

Numbers are numbers, but I know Republicans who voted for 114 and Democrats who voted against it. The problem is not the letter by their name, but how they voted. Too many people vote the way they are told they should vote. They never even try to educate themselves about the bills or candidates...and treat voting like jury duty.

I also know a family member, registered Republican, who suffers from severe TDS and plans to vote the Democrat party line out of spite of the Orange Man. There are more and more delusional, Kool aid drinking, lemmings willing to say "I don't want my rights and freedoms, therefore you shouldn't have yours either". They will chop their own pee pees off, or light themselves on fire because of a false and misguided sense of radicalized righteous indignation. What do voting laws matter to them?

 

[arakboss]

Numbers are numbers, but I know Republicans who voted for 114 and Democrats who voted against it. The problem is not the letter by their name, but how they voted. Too many people vote the way they are told they should vote. They never even try to educate themselves about the bills or candidates...and treat voting like jury duty.

I also know a family member, registered Republican, who suffers from severe TDS and plans to vote the Democrat party line out of spite of the Orange Man. There are more and more delusional, Kool aid drinking, lemmings willing to say "I don't want my rights and freedoms, therefore you shouldn't have yours either". They will chop their own pee pees off, or light themselves on fire because out of a false and misguided sense of radicalized righteous indignation. What do voting laws matter to them?

"The problem is not the letter by their name,"


I agree that it doesn't matter what letter is by their name, as long as they always vote R

 

[Mikej]

I also know a family member, registered Republican, who suffers from severe TDS and plans to vote the Democrat party line out of spite of the Orange Man. There are more and more delusional, Kool aid drinking, lemmings willing to say "I don't want my rights and freedoms, therefore you shouldn't have yours either". They will chop their own pee pees off, or light themselves on fire because of a false and misguided sense of radicalized righteous indignation. What do voting laws matter to them?

Sorry to hear you have mental illness in your family. I'm not a praying man, I'll just hope you don't come down with it. It's insidious and frequently un-curable.

 

[PiratePast40]

My apologies. I wanted people who would like to get involved reach out to me by PM.

I don't see how his comment was directed at you. Getting people involved with how and why this happened is critical unless people want to see things stay they way they are and just itch about it on the internet.

Now, people jumping in with totally irrelevant posts is another matter and gets us down unnecessary rabbit holes. However, since there is currently nothing going on with M114, then I don't see how it hurts much, but yes, it does distract and detract.

If all people want to do is sit around and complain, they are free to do so. Unfortunately, many will choose that path instead of actually getting out and taking action. How many here are actually actively involved with getting conservatives elected to replace liberals? How many even know which house and senate district they're in. Heck, I'll bet most here don't even know how many house and senate seats there are in Oregon.

M114 passed by 0.7%. We can continue to be the nail or turn it around and start being the hammer and we should be shouting about it every chance we get.

How many here are PCPs? How many know what that means? How many know who is running for state seats like SOS, Treasurer, or Attorney General? How many know what seats are open in their County Commissioners race? How many know who the County Clerk is and how important their role is in voter integrity? How many get their county party newsletters and volunteer for canvassing? How many know that many local seats will be decided during the May primary? Many county and city seats, including mayors and counsel members will be decided in May, not in November.

I'm not expecting everyone to get involved as deeply as others, but they should know who they are itching about when they make comments about things like ballot integrity, state budgets, deceptive ballot measure and bill titles and descriptions. Those busting their butts to make a difference are doing so by whatever means presents itself. Personally, I'm glad to hear it!

Rant and wall of text over.

 

[Mikej]

I don't see how his comment was directed at you. Getting people involved with how and why this happened is critical unless people want to see things stay they way they are and just itch about it on the internet.

Now, people jumping in with totally irrelevant posts is another matter and gets us down unnecessary rabbit holes. However, since there is currently nothing going on with M114, then I don't see how it hurts much, but yes, it does distract and detract.

If all people want to do is sit around and complain, they are free to do so. Unfortunately, many will choose that path instead of actually getting out and taking action. How many here are actually actively involved with getting conservatives elected to replace liberals? How many even know which house and senate district they're in. Heck, I'll bet most here don't even know how many house and senate seats there are in Oregon.

M114 passed by 0.7%. We can continue to be the nail or turn it around and start being the hammer and we should be shouting about it every chance we get.

How many here are PCPs? How many know what that means? How many know who is running for state seats like SOS, Treasurer, or Attorney General? How many know what seats are open in their County Commissioners race? How many know who the County Clerk is and how important their role is in voter integrity? How many get their county party newsletters and volunteer for canvassing? How many know that many local seats will be decided during the May primary? Many county and city seats, including mayors and counsel members will be decided in May, not in November.

I'm not expecting everyone to get involved as deeply as others, but they should know who they are itching about when they make comments about things like ballot integrity, state budgets, deceptive ballot measure and bill titles and descriptions. Those busting their butts to make a difference are doing so by whatever means presents itself. Personally, I'm glad to hear it!

Rant and wall of text over.

Well bless your heart! You don't live in the center of the democraptic hive do you? Lucky guy!

 

[CamoDeafie]

M114 passed by 0.7%. We can continue to be the nail or turn it around and start being the hammer and we should be shouting about it every chance we get.

Given the numbers, its frankly amazing how close we came to defeating it.. unfortunately, the specific counties that counted overwhelmingly in favor were Portland Metro and the Coast. But we could have defeated it with Clackamas County

 

[PiratePast40]

Given the numbers, its frankly amazing how close we came to defeating it.. unfortunately, the specific counties that counted overwhelmingly in favor were Portland Metro and the Coast. But we could have defeated it with Clackamas County

You're right, if more registered Republicans would have voted, we wouldn't be in this place right now.

 

[CamoDeafie]

You're right, if more registered Republicans would have voted, we wouldn't be in this place right now.

Nah, it wasn't necessarily "more registered Republicans"; but if more people had voted against 114, yeah. Don't forget, there's more "Non-Affiliated" voters than registered Democrats, and more "NA" voters than registered Republicans
Also, if 100% of the 3rd Party voters had turned out and voted against 114, that may have put us that much closer to defeating 114.

 

[PiratePast40]

Non Affiliated Voters are an unknown makeup. There could be many that were signed up by the DMV, did not provide a party affiliation, and simply don't care about politics. Only 44.5% of NAVs voted in the last election.

ETA: there were 69.2% of independants and 61.2% of libertarians that cast ballots last election. I'm really disappointed by the number of libertarians that decided gun rights were not something they thought were important enough to vote for.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Non Affiliated Voters are an unknown makeup. There could be many that were signed up by the DMV, did not provide a party affiliation, and simply don't care about politics. Only 44.5% of NAVs voted in the last election.

ETA: there were 69.2% of independants and 61.2% of libertarians that cast ballots last election. I'm really disappointed by the number of libertarians that decided gun rights were not something they thought were important enough to vote for.

Thats why I said "more people voting against 114", not just "all registered Rs"; as had been said earlier by other posters, a not insignificant number of registered Rs do not seem to care enough about the 2A compared to abortion/religious issues

Edit. Do we even know if all 61.2% of Libertarians voted against 114? Independents are all those little 3rd Parties (Green, Socialist Democrats, Tea Party, Constitutionalists, etc), and the most signifant factor is whether they caucus with either mainstream Party. The two independent Senators in Congress, usually side with the Dems.

 

[Rkangel]

Sorry to hear you have mental illness in your family. I'm not a praying man, I'll just hope you don't come down with it. It's insidious and frequently un-curable.

The battle between the woke and the awakened. Let's just say that there are no longer a lot of meaningful or constructive conversations during family gatherings.