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Here's some food for thought. I was reading an interview with a prominent military analyst and how it relates to gun control.

He said that even if the gooberment were to place under their direct control all active and reserve military personnel, as well as all LE personnel of every agency.... and they were all willing to take up arms against U.S. citizens... they would only have the manpower, logistics and equipment to lock down 6 major U.S. cities.

He made two other very interesting projections. 1. A military study done projected that, conservatively, approximately 47% of active military units would be most likely to not only refuse orders for action against citizens, but over 80% of those would most likely actively defend against any such actions. 2. Among LE personnel the percentage was slightly higher at over 65%.

His main point being that projected gooberment power within the U.S. is nothing but an illusion and there should be no wonder why they are so afraid of the general population. They have every reason to be and why there has been such a massive and ongoing push to disarm everyday citizens.


How accurate or not, I dunno, but it does provide some perspective, hu. 6 cities isn't a very large drop in the bucket.
Those would be 6 (D)emocrat-controlled cities. The rest of the nation could fence them off and go on living as Americans.
 
Speaking of gorilla warfare, I watched an interesting video about the Civil War currently taking place in Myanmar, and of course the gorilla warriors are kicking arss.

What was interesting were the teens joining in with the gorilla warriors, and their attitudes, and how quickly they were trained for gorilla fighting. It's like the teens were just itching to join in in any fight.
 
It's like the teens were just itching to join in in any fight.
Well yeah, a look at the FBI's "gun violence" stats by demographics shows that its the 15-35 year old male subset of the population of all races, that have disportionately high gun deaths and involvence with gun crimes, majority because of gangs, but also a large number of 18-35 men are in the military and we had been fighting over in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2021ish.

Edit. All we gotta do to make the US military turn against WH/Congress is to suggest that gangs and Cartels would use the opportunity to whack each other, loot military weapons/vehicles and infiltrate military bases to make drug deals and the like...
 
My question is why would the government need to enforce martial law? In some cases I can see some of us reporting for duty at the local law enforcement. I am getting too old to play war games.
With hundreds of thousands of military age men entering our country illegally, there is an outside chance this might happen. Not sure how lines would be drawn, ROE established, or even identification friend or foe would be determined.

Would be horrible and I hope to never see it in my lifetime.
 
"As of September 2023, the US military consisted of 2.86 million people worldwide.

The military includes 2,079,142 military personnel and 778,539 civilians as of September 2023

Of those military members, the Department of Defense (DoD) listed nearly 1.29 million people as active-duty troops, and 767,238 as national guard/reserves."

As of September 2023, reported active-duty troops included:

453,551 in the Army
332,322 in the Navy
318,698 in the Air Force
172,577 in the Marine Corps
8,879 in the Space Force."



Just by the numbers.

Discharged (veterans)/retired military personnel far outnumber active duty.

And then we have the size of the US.

We couldn't "conquer" Afghanistan within 25 years, a country similar in size to Texas.
Quoting myself to repeat the plain facts.
With hundreds of thousands of military age men entering our country illegally, there is an outside chance this might happen. Not sure how lines would be drawn, ROE established, or even identification friend or foe would be determined.

Would be horrible and I hope to never see it in my lifetime.
It would indeed be horrible, as we don't even have 2 million active duty military personnel.. and of the nearly 1.29 million active duty, I don't think that there's enough stationed in the CONUS.. considering our worldwide committments and the Navy...

The best bet for dealing with such an invasion through Southern Border would be to deputize law abiding citizens of fighting age, train them, and have them commanded by the county Sheriffs and have NG/State militaries be the back-ups/reinforcements... while active military can deal with offshore problems? (Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force)
 
Covid lock downs showed us where we are opposed to where we wished we are. Somewhat surprising in many cases as who went along willingly with no push back.

History shows, out of fear and misguided trust, most people will go along with government. Some are too stupid 🙄 to look at "the next step" (where did you say this train is going?). The ones pushing back will be left with some harsh, short term options.

Due to deaths, divorces and job related moves, my guess is most "patriots" over 40, no longer have a close circle of trusted friends nearby. Who you going to conspire with when weak individuals will sell you out for a free phone? Printing presses were archaic but they can't be tapped.
 
Give this a think!
Obummer and Biden have effectively THROWN the welcome mat out for all the illegals, and as we have seen, they are almost all fighting age males!
Obummer and Biden federalized over 70 agencies, armed them to the teeth, and gave them law enforcement powers, agencies like the IRS, USGS, USFS, and such!
Obummer and Biden drove a YUGE wedge into race relations here in America, Setting us back to the early 1960's and in many cases, making things MUCH worse!
We are seeing "Private Security" in numbers never seen before, dudes runnin around armed and equipped and they don't answer to anyone.


All of this was designed to give a POTUS a "Standing Army" we were warned against. The Ultra Left knows full well that they do not control the Military, nor the LEO, so having a bunch of Fed-Bois under their thumbs gives them numbers, you could argue not nearly enough, but it's more then they would have otherwise!

We speak of Gorilla Fighting, THIS is exactly what will happen,, all those Illegals will combine with all the Fed-Bois and spread out into the communities, it will not be uniformed troops, it will be marauders running around causing as much death and destruction as they can, and you and I must decide who is the bad guys and who isn't, and all the while, their puppet masters keep them on the move!
They will get a little training, issued cheap but effective weapons and sent forth to do their worst, under promise of.......................whatever it takes to get them to take up arms and risk it all for a piece of the american pie. THIS is likely how it's going to go down, the quicker We the People can get our hands around the necks of the politicians and remove them from power, the quicker We the People take control! Nothing worse then a bunch of Old and Wrinkled Gas Bags spouting off how we should follow our masters, serve our betters, We absolutely MUST wrest control from THEM Rikki Tik!
 
Give this a think!
Obummer and Biden have effectively THROWN the welcome mat out for all the illegals, and as we have seen, they are almost all fighting age males!
Obummer and Biden federalized over 70 agencies, armed them to the teeth, and gave them law enforcement powers, agencies like the IRS, USGS, USFS, and such!
Obummer and Biden drove a YUGE wedge into race relations here in America, Setting us back to the early 1960's and in many cases, making things MUCH worse!
We are seeing "Private Security" in numbers never seen before, dudes runnin around armed and equipped and they don't answer to anyone.


All of this was designed to give a POTUS a "Standing Army" we were warned against. The Ultra Left knows full well that they do not control the Military, nor the LEO, so having a bunch of Fed-Bois under their thumbs gives them numbers, you could argue not nearly enough, but it's more then they would have otherwise!

We speak of Gorilla Fighting, THIS is exactly what will happen,, all those Illegals will combine with all the Fed-Bois and spread out into the communities, it will not be uniformed troops, it will be marauders running around causing as much death and destruction as they can, and you and I must decide who is the bad guys and who isn't, and all the while, their puppet masters keep them on the move!
They will get a little training, issued cheap but effective weapons and sent forth to do their worst, under promise of.......................whatever it takes to get them to take up arms and risk it all for a piece of the american pie. THIS is likely how it's going to go down, the quicker We the People can get our hands around the necks of the politicians and remove them from power, the quicker We the People take control! Nothing worse then a bunch of Old and Wrinkled Gas Bags spouting off how we should follow our masters, serve our betters, We absolutely MUST wrest control from THEM Rikki Tik!
Couple of post-apocolyptic genre novels/series utilize this/or a similar "theme".
 
Having experienced guerilla warfare first hand...and at times acting as an an advisor to guerilla units...
I can say that :
What is written down as small unit actions ...
Let alone small arms fire...
Sure don't feel small when you are right in the thick of it... :eek: :D

Guerilla warfare / civil war is brutal.
Families divided...old grievances given new legitimacy all cloaked under the shadow of war....
Often war crimes are committed due to the fueling of spitefulness and petty dislikes....
Not to forget to mention due to the demonizing of the enemy....

I have skills and experience gained from guerilla warfare....and while I take comfort in knowing that I have both...
I am loath to use them again.
That said....
The most dangerous of men is one who is pushed into a corner...and one who feels like he has nothing else to lose by fighting back.
I hope to never be placed into that position.
Andy
 
Mods, if this ain't cool, feel free to remove, but I found Matt Brackens post but cannot copy a link to it, it's a dead site, so, I copy/pasted his post to share here!



We have seen them all before, and we shall see them all again as history rhymes along regardless of the century or the generation of humankind nominally in control of events. But the next time we are visited by widespread, large-scale urban riots, a dangerous new escalation may be triggered by a fresh vulnerability: It's estimated that the average American home has less than two weeks of food on hand. In poor minority areas, it may be much less. What if a cascading economic crisis, even a temporary one, leads to millions of EBT (electronic benefit transfer) cards flashing nothing but ERROR? This could also be the result of deliberate sabotage by hackers, or other technical system failures. Alternatively, the government might pump endless digits into the cards in a hopeless attempt to outpace future hyperinflation. The government can order the supermarkets to honor the cards, and it can even set price controls, but history's verdict is clear: If suppliers are paid only with worthless scrip or blinking digits, the food will stop.

STEP ONE: FLASH MOB LOOTING

In my scenario, the initial riots begin spontaneously across affected urban areas, as SNAP (supplemental nutrition assistance program) and other government welfare recipients learn that their EBT cards no longer function. This sudden revelation will cause widespread anger, which will quickly lead to the flash-mob looting of local supermarkets and other businesses. The media will initially portray these "food riots" as at least partly justifiable. Sadly, millions of Americans have been made largely, or even entirely, dependent on government wealth transfer payments to put food on their tables.

A new social contract has been created, where bread and circuses buy a measure of peace in our minority-populated urban zones. In the era of ubiquitous big-screen cable television, the internet and smart phones, the circus part of the equation is never in doubt as long as the electricity flows. But the bread is highly problematic. Food must be delivered the old-fashioned way: physically. Any disruption in the normal functioning of the EBT system will lead to food riots with a speed that is astonishing. This will inevitably happen when our unsustainable, debt-fueled binge party finally stops, and the music is over. Now that the delivery of free or heavily subsidized food is perceived by tens of millions of Americans to be a basic human right, the cutoff of "their" food money will cause an immediate explosion of rage. When the hunger begins to bite, supermarkets, shops and restaurants will be looted, and initially the media will not condemn the looting. Unfortunately, this initial violence will only be the start of a dangerous escalation.

The ransacked supermarkets, convenience stores, ATMs and gas stations will not be restocked during this period due to the precarious security situation. A single truck loaded with food or gasoline would be perceived to be a Fort Knox on wheels and subject to immediate attack unless heavily protected by powerfully armed security forces, but such forces will not be available during this chaotic period. Under those conditions, resupply to the urban areas cannot and will not take place. The downward spiral of social and economic dysfunction will therefore both accelerate and spread from city to city. These delays, in turn, will lead to more riots with the constant underlying demand that hungry people be fed, one way or another.

Catch-22, anyone? When these demands do not bring the desired outcome, the participants will ratchet up the violence, hoping to force action by the feckless state and national governments.

The "food riots" will be a grass-roots movement of the moment born out of hunger and desperation. It will not be dependent upon leaders or an underlying organization, although they could certainly add to the sauce. Existing cell phone technology provides all the organization a flash mob needs. Most of the mobs will consist of minority urban youths, termed MUYs in the rest of this essay. Which minority doesn't matter; each urban locale will come with its own unique multi-ethnic dynamic.

Some locales will divide upon religious or political lines, but they will not be the dominant factors contributing to conflict. In the American context, the divisions will primarily have an ethnic or racial context, largely because that makes it easy to sort out the sides at a safe distance. No need to check religious or political affiliation at a hundred yards when The Other is of a different color.

We Americans are all about doing things the easy way, so, sadly, visible racial and ethnic features will form the predominant lines of division.

Would that it were not so, but reality is reality, even when it's is a bubblegum.

Especially then.

NEXT STEP: FLASH MOB RIOTS

In order to highlight their grievances and escalate their demands for an immediate resumption of government benefits, the MUY flash mobs will next move their activities to the borders of their ethnic enclaves. They will concentrate on major intersections and highway interchanges where non-MUY suburban commuters must make daily passage to and from what forms of employment still exist. People making a living will still be using those roads to get to where they earn their daily bread.

The results of these clashes will frequently resemble the intersection of Florence and Normandie during the Rodney King riots in 1992, where Reginald Denny was pulled out of his truck's cab and beaten nearly to death with a cinder block. If you don't remember it, watch it on Youtube. Then imagine that scene with the mob-making accelerant of texting and other social media technology added to stoke the fires. Instead of a few dozen thugs terrorizing the ambushed intersections, in minutes there will be hundreds.

Rioters will throw debris such as shopping carts and trash cans into the intersection, causing the more timid drivers to pause. The mobs will swarm the lines of trapped cars once they have stopped. Traffic will be forced into gridlock for blocks in all directions. Drivers and passengers of the wrong ethnic persuasions will be pulled from their vehicles to be beaten, robbed, and in some cases raped and/or killed. It will be hyper-violent and overtly racial mob behavior, on a massive and undeniable basis.

Some of those trapped in their cars will try to drive out of the area, inevitably knocking down MUY pedestrians and being trapped by even more outraged MUYs. The commuters will be dragged out of their cars and kicked or beaten to death. Other suburban commuters will try to shoot their way out of the lines of stopped cars, and they will meet the same grim fate once they run out of bullets and room to escape.

The mob will be armed with everything from knives, clubs and pistols to AK-47s. A bloodbath will result. These unlucky drivers and their passengers will suffer horribly, and some of their deaths will be captured on traffic web cameras. Later, these terrible scenes will be released or leaked by sympathetic government insiders and shown by the alternative media, which continue to expand as the traditional media become increasingly irrelevant.

Implausible, you insist?

This grim tableau is my analysis of age-old human behavior patterns, adding flash mobs and 2012 levels of racial anger to the old recipe. Early-teenage MUYs today are frequently playing "The Knockout Game" on full bellies, just for kicks, and proudly uploading the videos. They and their older peers can be expected to do far worse when hunger and the fear of starvation enter their physical, mental, and emotional equations. The blame for their hunger will be turned outward against the greater society, and will be vented at first hand against any non-MUY who falls into their grasp while they are in the thrall of mob hysteria. These episodes of mass psychology we will refer to as "flash mob riots", "wilding", or some other new name.

THE OFFICIAL POLICE RESPONSE TO FLASH MOB RIOTS

To gear up for even a single "Florence and Normandie on steroids" flash mob street riot, city police departments will require an hour or longer to stage their SWAT teams and riot squads in position to react. Ordinary patrol cars in small numbers will not venture anywhere near such roiling masses of hysterical rioters, not even to perform rescues. Those citizens trapped in their cars cannot expect timely assistance from local or state authorities.

Even in the first days of widespread riots, when the police forces are well rested, it might take several hours to mount a response sufficient to quell the disturbance and restore order to even one major street intersection riot. In the meantime, scores of innocent commuters will have been attacked, with many of them injured or killed and left at the scene. It will be a law enforcement nightmare to quell the disturbance, mop up lingering rioters, restore security, and bring medical attention to the living and get medical examiners to the dead. And each jurisdiction will face potentially dozens of such scenes, thanks to the ability for MUYs to cross-communicate at will using their wireless devices.

The far more difficult challenge for the police is that by the time they are suited in riot gear, armed and geared up to sweep the intersection, it will probably be empty of rioters. The police, with their major riot squad reaction times measured in hours, will be fighting flash mobs that materialize, cause mayhem, and evaporate in only fractions of hours. This rapid cycle time is a clear lesson taken from massive riots by immigrant French Muslim MUYs in their own religious enclaves and bordering areas.

The American flash mob riot will exist almost entirely inside the law enforcement OODA (observe, orient, decide, act) loop. In other words, the rioters will have a much quicker reaction time than the police. Until fairly recently, superior police communications meant that they could use their radio networks as a force multiplier. With their networking advantage and cohesive reactions both within a department and among cooperating local agencies, police could act as shepherds guiding or dispersing a wayward stampeding flock.

Today, the mob has the greater advantage, immediately spreading word of every police preparation by text and Tweet, even in advance of the police movement. Attempts by the authorities to stop the flash mobs by blocking and jamming wireless transmissions will have limited success.

It is at this point that the situation spirals out of control.

The enraged mobs in urban America will soon recognize that their spontaneous street riots cannot be stopped by the police, and then they will grow truly fearsome. For the police, it will be a losing game of Whack-a-Mole, with riots breaking out and dispersing at a speed they cannot hope to match. The violence will spread to previously unaffected cities as an awareness of law enforcement impotence is spread by television and social media. After a few days, the police forces will be exhausted and demoralized. As the violence intensifies and spreads, and in the absence of any viable security arrangements, supermarkets and other stores will not be restocked, leaving the MUYs even more desperate and angry than before. The increasing desperation born of worsening hunger will refuel the escalating spiral of violence.

Nor will violent conflict be only between the inhabitants of the urban areas and the suburbs. The international record of conflict in tri-ethnic cities is grim, making the old bi-racial dichotomy formerly seen in America seem stable by comparison. In tri-ethnic cities the perceived balance of power is constantly shifting, with each side in turn feeling outnumbered and outmuscled. Temporary truces, betrayals and new alliances follow in rapid succession, removing any lingering sense of social cohesion.

The former Yugoslavia, with its Catholic, Orthodox and Muslim divisions, comes starkly to mind. The Lebanese Civil War between the Christians, Sunnis, Shiites and Druze raged across Beirut (at one time known as "The Paris of the Middle East") for fifteen brutal years. Once a city turns on itself and becomes a runaway engine of self-destruction, it can be difficult to impossible to switch off the process and return to normal pre-conflict life. It's not inconceivable that the United States could produce a dozen Sarajevos or Beiruts, primarily across racial instead of religious divides.

Vehicle traffic by non-minority suburban commuters through adjoining minority areas will virtually halt, wrecking what is left of the local economy. Businesses will not open because employees will not be able to travel to work safely. Businesses in minority areas, needless to say, will be looted. "Gentrified" enclaves of affluent suburbanites within or near the urban zones will suffer repeated attacks, until their inhabitants flee.

Radically disaffected minorities will hold critical infrastructure corridors through their areas hostage against the greater society. Highways, railroad tracks, pipe and power lines will all be under constant threat, or may be cut in planned or unplanned acts of raging against "the system." As long as security in the urban areas cannot be restored, these corridors will be under threat. Even airports will not be immune. Many of them have been absorbed into urban areas, and aircraft will come under sporadic fire while taking off and landing.

In the absence of fresh targets of value blundering into their areas, and still out of food, MUYs will begin to forage beyond their desolated home neighborhoods and into suburban borderlands. "Safe" supermarkets and other stores will be robbed in brazen commando-like gang attacks. Carjackings and home invasions will proliferate madly. As I have discussed in my essay "The Civil War Two Cube," so-called "transitional" and mixed-ethnic areas will suffer the worst violence. These neighborhoods will become utterly chaotic killing zones, with little or no help coming from the overstretched police, who will be trying to rest up for their next shift on riot squad duty, if they have not already deserted their posts to take care of their own families.

THE SUBURBAN ARMED VIGILANTE RESPONSE

In the absence of an effective official police response to the exploding levels of violence, suburbanites will first hastily form self-defense forces to guard their neighborhoods—especially ones located near ethnic borders. These ubiquitous neighborhood armed defense teams will often have a deep and talented bench from which to select members, and they will not lack for volunteers.

Since 9-11, hundreds of thousands of young men (and more than a few women) have acquired graduate-level educations in various aspects of urban warfare. In the Middle East these troops were frequently tasked with restoring order to urban areas exploding in internecine strife. Today these former military men and women understand better than anyone the life-or-death difference between being armed and organized versus unarmed and disorganized.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of veterans currently own rifles strikingly similar to those they carried in the armed forces, lacking only the full-automatic selector switch. Their brothers, sisters, parents, friends, and neighbors who did not serve in the military are often just as familiar with the weapons, if not the tactics. Today the AR-pattern rifle (the semi-automatic civilian version of the familiar full-auto-capable M-16 or M-4) is the most popular model of rifle in America, with millions sold in the past decade. Virtually all of them produced in the past decade have abandoned the old M-16's signature "carrying handle" rear iron sight for a standardized sight mounting rail, meaning that virtually every AR sold today can be easily equipped with an efficient optical sight. Firing the high-velocity 5.56×45 mm cartridge and mounted with a four-power tactical sight, a typical AR rifle can shoot two-inch groups at one hundred yards when fired from a steady bench rest. That translates to shooting eight- to ten-inch groups at four hundred yards.

Four hundred yards is a long walk. Pace it off on a straight road, and observe how tiny somebody appears at that distance. Yet a typical AR rifle, like those currently owned by millions of American citizens, can hit a man-sized target at that range very easily, given a stable firing platform and a moderate level of shooting ability.

And there are a far greater number of scoped bolt-action hunting rifles in private hands in the United States. Keep this number in mind: based on deer stamps sold, approximately twenty million Americans venture into the woods every fall armed with such rifles, fully intending to shoot and kill a two-hundred-pound mammal. Millions of these scoped bolt-action deer rifles are quite capable of hitting a man-sized target at ranges out to and even beyond a thousand yards, or nearly three-fifths of a mile. In that context, the 500-yard effective range of the average semi-auto AR-pattern rifle is not at all remarkable.

So, we have millions of men and women with military training, owning rifles similar to the ones they used in combat operations overseas from Vietnam to Afghanistan. Many of these Soldiers and Marines have special operations training. They are former warriors with experience at conducting irregular warfare and counter-terrorism operations in dangerous urban environments. They are the opposite of unthinking robots: their greatest military talent is looking outside the box for new solutions. They always seek to "over-match" their enemies, using their own advantages as force multipliers while diminishing or concealing their weaknesses. These military veterans are also ready, willing and able to pass on their experience and training to interested students in their civilian circles.
 
Continued!

Let's return to our hypothetical Florence and Normandie intersection, but this time with hundreds of rioters per city block, instead of mere dozens. Among the mobs are thugs armed with pistols and perhaps even AK-47s equipped with standard iron sights, and except in rare cases, these rifles have never been "zeroed in" on a target range. In other words, past a medium distance of fifty to a hundred yards, these MUY shooters will have little idea where their fired bullets will strike—nor will they care. Typically, most of the rioters armed with a pistol, shotgun or an iron-sighted rifle could not hit a mailbox at a hundred yards unless by luck. Inside that distance, any non-MUY could be at immediate risk of brutal death at the hands of an enraged mob, but beyond that range, the mob will pose much less danger.

Taking this imbalance in effective ranges of the firearms most likely to be available to both sides, certain tactical responses are sure to arise, and ranking near the top will be the one described next.

THE SNIPER AMBUSH: THE NEW TACTIC OF CHOICE

The sniper ambush will predictably be used as a counter to rampaging mobs armed only with short- to medium-range weapons. This extremely deadly trick was developed by our war fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan, taking advantage of the significant effective range and firepower of our scoped 5.56mm rifles. Tactics such as the sniper ambush may not be seen early in the civil disorder, but they will surely arise after a steady progression of atrocities attributed to rampaging MUYs.

Street intersection flash mob riots will not be the only type of violence exploding during periods of civil disorder. As mentioned earlier, the number and ferocity of home invasions will skyrocket, and they will be very hard to defend against. Neighborhood self-defense forces will be able to protect a group of homes if they are located on cul-de-sacs or in defensible subdivisions with limited entrances, turning them overnight into fortified gated communities. Individual homes and apartment buildings located in open grid-pattern neighborhoods with outside access from many directions will be much more difficult to defend, and the home invasions will continue.

Carjacking and other forms of armed robbery will proliferate to previously unimagined levels, leading to a total loss of confidence in the government's ability to provide security across all social lines. Stray bullets striking pedestrians or penetrating houses will take a frightening toll, even in areas previously considered to be safe. The police will be exhausted by constant riot-squad duty, and will not even respond to reports of mere individual acts of violent criminality. They will simply be overwhelmed, and will be forced to triage their responses. The wealthy, powerful and politically well-connected will demand the lion's share of remaining police resources, further diminishing the safety of average Americans.

In that context, neighborhood self-defense forces will form the nucleus of the armed vigilante direct action groups which will spring up next in the progression. Suburban anger will continue to build against the MUYs, who are perceived to be the originators of the home invasions and gang-level armed looting raids. Survivors of street ambushes, carjackings and home invasions will tell blood-curdling tales and show horrific scars.

The neighborhood defense teams will evolve into proactive suburban armed vigilante groups (SAVs) out of a desire to preemptively take the violence to their perceived enemies, instead of passively waiting for the next home invasion or carjacking. The SAV teams will consist of the more aggressive and gung-ho members of the self-defense forces, who met and compared notes. Often they will be young men with recent combat experience in the armed forces, who will apply their military training to the new situation. Major intersections and highway interchanges where ambush riots have previously occurred will be among the SAV targets. The SAV reaction times will be measured in minutes, compared to the hours required by major police department SWAT teams and riot squads.

A SAMPLE SNIPER AMBUSH SCENARIO

When word is received that a flash mob is forming at one of their pre-reconnoitered intersections or highway interchanges, the SAV team will assemble. Sometimes cooperating police will pass tactical intel to their civilian friends on the outside. Some clever individuals will have exploited their technical know-how and military experience to build real-time intel collection tools, such as private UAVs. Police will have access to urban security camera footage showing MUYs moving barricade materials into position—a normal prerequisite to a flash mob riot intended to stop traffic. Tip-offs to the vigilantes will be common, and where the networks are still functioning, citizens may still be able to access some video feeds. Sometimes, police will even join the SAV teams, incognito and off-duty, blurring the teams into so-called "death squads."

The operation I will describe (and it's only one of dozens that will be tried) uses two ordinary pickup trucks and eight fighters. Two riflemen are lying prone in the back of each truck, facing rearward, with removable canvas covers concealing their presence. Their semi-automatic, scoped rifles are supported at their front ends on bipods for very accurate shooting. A row of protective sandbags a foot high is between them and the raised tailgate.

In the cab are a driver and a spotter in the passenger seat who also serves as the vehicle's 360-degree security. The two trucks don't ever appear on the same stretch of road, but coordinate their movements using one-word brevity codes over small FRS walkie-talkie radios. Each truck has a series of predetermined elevated locations where the intersection in question will lie between 200 and 500 yards away. Each truck is totally nondescript and forgettable, the only detail perhaps being the non-MUY ethnicity of the suburbanite driver and spotter driving relatively near to a riot in progress.

By the time the two SAV pickup trucks arrive at their firing positions on different streets and oriented ninety degrees to one another, the flash mob riot is in full swing. A hundred or more of the rampaging youths are posturing and throwing debris into traffic in order to intimidate some cars into stopping. The riflemen in the backs of the pickups are waiting for this moment and know what to expect, trusting their spotters and drivers to give them a good firing lane. The spotters in each truck issue a code word on their radios when they are in final position. The tailgates are swung down, and the leader among the riflemen initiates the firing. All-around security is provided by the driver and spotter.

Lying prone and using their bipods for support, the shooters have five to ten degrees of pan or traverse across the entire intersection. Individual rioters are clearly visible in the shooters' magnified optical scopes. Each of the four snipers has a plan to shoot from the outside of the mob toward the middle, driving participants into a panicked mass. The left-side shooters start on the left side and work to the middle, engaging targets with rapid fire, about one aimed shot per two seconds. Since the two trucks are set at ninety degrees to one another, very complete coverage will be obtained, even among and between the stopped vehicles.

The result is a turkey shoot. One magazine of thirty aimed shots per rifle is expended in under a minute, a coded cease-fire is called on the walkie-talkies, and the trucks drive away at the speed limit. The canvas covering the truck beds contains the shooters' spent brass. If the trucks are attacked from medium or close range, the canvas can be thrown back and the two snipers with their semi-automatic rifles or carbines will add their firepower to that of the driver and spotter.

Back at the intersection, complete panic breaks out among the rioters as a great number of bullets have landed in human flesh. Over a score have been killed outright, and many more scream in pain for medical attention they will not receive in time. The sniper ambush stops the flash mob cold in its tracks as the uninjured flee in terror, leaving their erstwhile comrades back on the ground bleeding. The commuters trapped in their vehicles may have an opportunity to escape.

This type of sniper ambush and a hundred variations on the theme will finally accomplish what the police could not: put an end to mobs of violent rioters making the cities through-streets and highways impassible killing zones. Would-be rioters will soon understand it to be suicidal to cluster in easily visible groups and engage in mob violence, as the immediate response could come at any time in the form of aimed fire from hundreds of yards away. Even one rifleman with a scoped semi-auto can break up a medium-sized riot.

Many citizens will take to carrying rifles and carbines in their vehicles, along with their pistols, so that if their cars are trapped in an ambush they will have a chance to fight their way out. If their vehicle is stopped outside the immediate area of the flash mob, they will be able to direct accurate fire at the rioters from a few hundred yards away. Inside the fatal hundred-yard radius, unlucky suburbanite drivers and passengers pulled from their cars will still be brutally violated, but the occurrences of large mob-driven street ambushes will be much less frequent once long-range retaliation becomes a frequent expectation.

THE GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO VIGILANTISM

Where they will be unable to respond swiftly or effectively to the outbreaks of street riots by MUY flash mobs, the police and federal agents will respond vigorously to the deadly but smaller vigilante attacks. These sniper ambushes and other SAV attacks will be called acts of domestic terrorism and mass murder by government officials and the mainstream media. A nearly seamless web of urban and suburban street cameras will reveal some of the SAV teams by their vehicles, facial recognition programs, and other technical means. Some early arrests will be made, but the vigilantes will adapt to increasing law enforcement pressure against them by becoming cleverer about their camouflage, most often using stolen cars and false uniforms and masks during their direct-action missions. Observe Mexico today for ideas on how this type of dirty war is fought.

Eventually, the U.S. Army itself might be called upon to put out all the social firestorms in our cities, restore order and security, pacify the angry masses, feed the starving millions, get vital infrastructure operating again, and do it all at once in a dozen American Beiruts, Sarajevos and Mogadishus.

Good luck to them, I say.
 
Why lock down cities? That is a stupid move. Control travel, control commerce, control the food, and you control the people. Cities are for the Stasi.

Only a tiny fraction of the populous will resist. The majority will be happy to be informers just for an extra ration card or special privilege. How do you think a POS country like N Korea keeps the people in check?

They don't need troops everywhere. Just the fear of troops everywhere. The people will do the rest.
 
What we call "civilization" is just a paper-thin veneer.
When the electricity/water/sewage stops working even the "entitled" class living in the penthouses aren't going to be any better off than those in the tenements.
The "high-rise" cities are already a jungle, when the veneer is stripped away, they'll become a nightmare.
The greatest shock will be to those poor misguided creatin's who are always spouting off about "Love" and singing Kumbaya.
They're already hardly able to deal with such a catastrophe as a broken shoelace, (or heaven forbid some hurt feelings).
 
Why lock down cities? That is a stupid move. Control travel, control commerce, control the food, and you control the people. Cities are for the Stasi.
Well. It looks like the majority of gang violence, and homicides besides suicides seem to be concentrated in cities. Also. Summer of "love", "mostly peaceful protests" all seemed to happen in big cities.. (see Portland and Seattle 2020ish) :rolleyes: cities seem to be where most of the criminally violent people go and live... for whatever reasons, not the least that theres a lot of soft targets especially in anti2A cities/states...
 
Having experienced guerilla warfare first hand...and at times acting as an an advisor to guerilla units...
I can say that :
What is written down as small unit actions ...
Let alone small arms fire...
Sure don't feel small when you are right in the thick of it... :eek: :D

Guerilla warfare / civil war is brutal.
Families divided...old grievances given new legitimacy all cloaked under the shadow of war....
Often war crimes are committed due to the fueling of spitefulness and petty dislikes....
Not to forget to mention due to the demonizing of the enemy....

I have skills and experience gained from guerilla warfare....and while I take comfort in knowing that I have both...
I am loath to use them again.
That said....
The most dangerous of men is one who is pushed into a corner...and one who feels like he has nothing else to lose by fighting back.
I hope to never be placed into that position.
Andy
Be weary of provoking the reluctant unblinking man, for if you threaten his home and kin he'll unleash hell upon your head… and your days will come to a sudden calamitous end.
 
US federal armed forces cannot legally be used for domestic law enforcement duties, per the Posse Comitatus Act.

There is also the Insurrection Act, which can be invoked to get around the PCA. Eisenhower, Little Rock, 1957.

Look up "Operation Garden Plot." I think there are still provisions for this. Which concerned concentrations of population in cities. When originally formulated, it addressed racial difficulties which cannot be articulated now.

How reliable are national forces that might be used for internal security? Allegiance can change. The Red Chinese "volunteer militia" who were used to invade Korea in 1950-51 consisted of a great many former Chinese Nationalist soldiers who changed sides. "Radishes," red outside, white inside.

It's only my opinion, but I think government control over the population in the US is pretty loose and largely voluntary. It wouldn't take much for it to burst at the seams given enough stress.
 
So... Where we are now is on an Anarcho-Tyranny :
  • a system of government that fails to enforce or adjudicate protection to its citizens while simultaneously persecuting innocent conduct
  • an armed dictatorship without rule of law
The latest from the draft board, selective service is now requiring ALL males 18 to 25, to register. They now specifically indicate, natural born citizen, naturalized and undocumented. You read the last one right, With the border open, they may be trying to assemble an Army of non-citizens to combat the citizens. and how many male "fighting" age illegal border crossers have made it through by now.. Seemingly countless at this point.
Will it be enough to enforce martial law or other tyrannical exploit on more than 6 cities? IDK

Who pays the soldiers/LE. Who feeds them. Who clothes them. The allegiance may differ when it comes down to it.
It takes a lot of food to fight. Infrastructure and leadership... Very few insurgencies work to the gain of the "insurgents".

The US is highly divided and being fractured more as time progresses. There will need to be more commonality with our contemporaries and neighbors if we ever stand a chance of fighting an invading force or worse.

What we are all seeing is by design, that has all been scripted and will go how the elites want it to go. I'm not saying there can't be change, but there are forces and momentum here that are pretty unstoppable. Not to be black pilled here. I really like the topic I just wanted to add what I have observed not being said yet.

Great topic, great information. thank you
 
So... Where we are now is on an Anarcho-Tyranny :
  • a system of government that fails to enforce or adjudicate protection to its citizens while simultaneously persecuting innocent conduct
  • an armed dictatorship without rule of law
The latest from the draft board, selective service is now requiring ALL males 18 to 25, to register. They now specifically indicate, natural born citizen, naturalized and undocumented. You read the last one right, With the border open, they may be trying to assemble an Army of non-citizens to combat the citizens. and how many male "fighting" age illegal border crossers have made it through by now.. Seemingly countless at this point.
Will it be enough to enforce martial law or other tyrannical exploit on more than 6 cities? IDK

Who pays the soldiers/LE. Who feeds them. Who clothes them. The allegiance may differ when it comes down to it.
It takes a lot of food to fight. Infrastructure and leadership... Very few insurgencies work to the gain of the "insurgents".

The US is highly divided and being fractured more as time progresses. There will need to be more commonality with our contemporaries and neighbors if we ever stand a chance of fighting an invading force or worse.

What we are all seeing is by design, that has all been scripted and will go how the elites want it to go. I'm not saying there can't be change, but there are forces and momentum here that are pretty unstoppable. Not to be black pilled here. I really like the topic I just wanted to add what I have observed not being said yet.

Great topic, great information. thank you
Interesting take on the selective service and the "undocumented" category of "required registration". Wouldn't count on many, if any, undocumented border crossers to comply. Considering they've already skirted, or violated federal immigration laws, thus making them a criminal.

And for the record, I'm not against immigration to the USA, but it has to be done according to the rules. After all we are a society of rules and laws, without them, all were left with is anarchy.
 

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