National Last breath? Remington Arms.

[GWS]

What would your recourse be if you didn't want to accept the settlement? Go to the tribal police? The BIA? How do you think your complaint would be handled? There's no state run gaming commission to keep the games square.

I'd be screaming on every internet review site available Yelp
Travel sites, you name it
If they welch on me, then they have welched on others and chances are those folks would speak up
A few tour buses stop going to the welcher casino and they start getting the message.
Let AAA, Thousand Trails, Good Sam and others get info out
Casinos are everywhere, one that cheats its guests will find itself devoid of gamblers before too long

Which casino jacked you up?

 

[Snip]

I'd be screaming on every internet review site available Yelp
Travel sites, you name it
If they welch on me, then they have welched on others and chances are those folks would speak up
A few tour buses stop going to the welcher casino and they start getting the message.
Let AAA, Thousand Trails, Good Sam and others get info out
Casinos are everywhere, one that cheats its guests will find itself devoid of gamblers before too long

Which casino jacked you up?

Good luck with that. I don't gamble, never saw the appeal.

 

[po18guy]

No matter, I hope their debt can be resolved so the company can focus on what it does best.

 

[GWS]

Good luck with that. I don't gamble, never saw the appeal.

So, if you weren't ripped off, how do you know this is true?
What casino welched on their jackpot?

 

[aksu747]

Good luck with that. I don't gamble, never saw the appeal.

I tried it once, still kinda embarrassed about it, but it could have been worse. I lost $20 to a slot machine in vegas 5 years ago, the Lord taught me from that to stay away from it. The casino had Elvis's gold plated and engraved PPK, that was probably the coolest sting I saw there.(was behind glass unfortunately)

 

[titsonritz]

I've zero desire for anything they put out, it's been that way for quite awhile. Stick a fork in it.

 

[Xaevian]

Might as well be made in China?

 

[Hayharnel]

Maybe give the BLM folk there own reservations instead ruining all of America? Also no reparations for what Our ancestors did 200 years ago! Sorry but not my fault. All lives matter

 

[The Heretic]

What would your recourse be if you didn't want to accept the settlement? Go to the tribal police? The BIA? How do you think your complaint would be handled? There's no state run gaming commission to keep the games square.

Gambling in a casino is a fools errand to start with - regardless of who owns it or where it is.

 

[Snip]

I've zero desire for anything they put out, it's been that way for quite awhile. Stick a fork in it.

I don't know about Remington, but as far as I know, Marlin is putting out a better product than after the merger. I would think that Marlin would be a good product to spin off to recoup some losses.

 

[3MTA3]

For Remington to survive it needs different management. At this point any change is pretty much a positive. The Navajo Nation probably sees a boom gun market for the next 5-9 years based on politics.

This isn't decades ago when Indian Tribes and Nation were easily duped and taken advantage of. They got burned and then they learned. Because of rules about how Indian land is owned it can't be used as collateral in loans and this has slowed down economic growth on reservations. Casinos have provided the wealth and business management skills they need and expanding to non reservation industries, like Remington, is the next step. Why not speculate on a fire sale?

I don't see production moving to the reservations due to the BIA reservation land usage problems visa-vi collateral issues on reservation land and that their existing skilled labor force likely couldn't or wouldn't relocate to the reservation. I could potentially see new production, especially in the pistol area where Remington sucks outside of their 1911, to a reservation based plant. I also see a possibility for new component production on reservation soil.

Don't forget Remington owns, but shut down DPMS, just before the Panicdemic started. Politics have placed AR/AK style rifles along with defense oriented shotguns and pistols back to the forefront. If they still have the DPMS tooling then that's an incentive, but just owning the brand name is a good start. The previous labor and engineering are still out there.

 

[awshoot]

What would your recourse be if you didn't want to accept the settlement? Go to the tribal police? The BIA? How do you think your complaint would be handled? There's no state run gaming commission to keep the games square.

Go public. Not paying a bet is the worst publicity possible for a casino.

 

[2506]

The article said, "Remington has continued to face high interest costs." That's pretty bad in such a low interest rate era. Means the company was viewed as being so flaky that no lender would go a loan under less than usurious interest rates.

Remington is one fine example of what often happens when a private equity firm takes contol. In this case, Cerberus. Which is the same private equity outfit that ruined Chrysler.

Do I need to add that buying products made by a dying industrial firm may not be the best choice? I've owned one recently-made Remington 700 rifle. I didn't have it long. As I've said in another post recently regarding quality issues, I won't keep a gun that I don't like.

I knew it was only a matter of time for Remington. Private equity kills everything.

 

[Nosferatu]

I don't see production moving to the reservations due to the BIA reservation land usage problems visa-vi collateral issues on reservation land and that their existing skilled labor force likely couldn't or wouldn't relocate to the reservation. I could potentially see new production, especially in the pistol area where Remington sucks outside of their 1911, to a reservation based plant. I also see a possibility for new component production on reservation soil.

As a white guy who lives in Monroe and works for the Tulalip Tribal Government, you don't have to be a tribal member, or live on the rez to work for an Indian run business. There's more non-native people working there than native. The only thing non-natives are inelligable for is elected Tribal Council positions.

They could easily setup manufacturing on the Navajo Nation and workers could live where they damn well please, native or not. That being said, I'm not sure what their land is like outside of Arizona. I lived in Flagstaff, AZ for several years and getting to the NN was a long drive and pretty much a vast wasteland. The Hopi in AZ was much better setup, but still a long way away from any city or town.

 

[The Heretic]

They could start with something small and simpler, like suppressors or parts (barrels) or assembly oof parts made elsewhere.

 

[GWS]

Interesting
No one here has mentioned Remington Ammunition
These days I imagine that is the cash cow the Navajo are looking at.

 

[titsonritz]

I don't know about Remington, but as far as I know, Marlin is putting out a better product than after the merger. I would think that Marlin would be a good product to spin off to recoup some losses.

Marlin lost my interest after adding that lameass cross bolt safety, but I do like the older ones.

 

[Red98422]

Marlin lost my interest after adding that lameass cross bolt safety, but I do like the older ones.

It is getting harder and harder to find guns that haven't been "lawyered"

 

[WAYNO]

I think Remington's and its affiliates have an uphill battle from gun owners in overcoming the repeated prophesy that all Remington and Remlin products are junk.

If a person has experienced that for himself, who am I to say otherwise.

I have owned quite a few Remington products from their new era, and in every case, they have been tremendous firearms.

 

[Nosferatu]

Marlin lost my interest after adding that lameass cross bolt safety, but I do like the older ones.

Luckily there are some aftermarket safety deletes out there. I have a couple from Beartooth Mercantile. But I agree, it's something the aftermarket shouldn't have to fix.