National Is the NRA toast ?

[GWS]

Do you stay friends with some when you find out the like to steal, or when the steal from you? How about a buddy that like to beat on his wife? Oh that right, its non of you business.

You really don't get it. The NRA isn't Wayne LaPierre. He's just the tumor that needs to be removed
Do you abandon your friend if he has cancer?

 

[nk02442]

Is the NRA to you just Lapiere and the upper management, or is there more to the entity than that? Because as has been stated by many others. There is a lot more to the NRA than simply the head handful of people.

They have controlled the direction of the NRA for 40 years. They have ranked in hundreds of millions to billions of dollars in donations, membership, merch sales and the nut they get when ranges and stores by insurance.

Its a money racket. They have done very little actual legislative and litigation support for the 2A. Most of what they do its to increase revenue.

Its hilarious they are now crying poor me due to covid. After they raped and pillaged the NRA coffers no wonder there is little money left.

Any reasonable person would look at this situation and say, Ya know, maybe gun rights is not really their mission.

 

[madmax]

Is the NRA to you just Lapiere and the upper management, or is there more to the entity than that? Because as has been stated by many others. There is a lot more to the NRA than simply the head handful of people.

If the top couple of tear got the ax, i would take a secomd look at them. I highly double they could do a 180. 30 plus years of compromise

 

[Diamondback]

 

[madmax]

You really don't get it. The NRA isn't Wayne LaPierre. He's just the tumor that needs to be removed
Do you abandon your friend if he has cancer?

You mean metastasize with a dnr

 

[nk02442]

You really don't get it. The NRA isn't Wayne LaPierre. He's just the tumor that needs to be removed
Do you abandon your friend if he has cancer?

No you don't get it. WLP IS the NRA. He is the defacto dictator and his hand picked board of directors and officers are the aristocracy. They control all facets of the organization either directly or indirectly. ANYONE who doesn't tow the line, is fired. They have changed the rules and charter to the point they CANNOT be removed from power. The only one who can remove them, is them. Not the rest of the BOD, not the membership, no one else.

Ask yourself why they would just ghost someone like Colin Noir. A young, educated, very popular black gun enthusiast who had the most popular show on NRA TV. This dude reaches people who the NRA could never get their attention. Not only that, he shows many in the black community the lies and tales the democrats spin, helping recruit Blacks to the Trump Party. And what do they do? just stop communicating with him a year or two ago. Turns out Colin had his own branding and merchandize, and the NRA wasn't getting their nut so they kicked his bubblegum to the curb. They don't care about gun rights, reaching new people or anything that a reasonable person would think is their goals. They are there to make money. And that money is RARELY used to support the actual goals you think they would be used for.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Folks, Please remember Rule #1 and lets keep this civil!

 

[GWS]

No you don't get it. WLP IS the NRA. He is the defacto dictator and his hand picked board of directors and officers are the aristocracy. They control all facets of the organization either directly or indirectly. ANYONE who doesn't tow the line, is fired. They have changed the rules and charter to the point they CANNOT be removed from power. The only one who can remove them, is them. Not the rest of the BOD, not the membership, no one else.

Ask yourself why they would just ghost someone like Colin Noir. A young, educated, very popular black gun enthusiast who had the most popular show on NRA TV. This dude reaches people who the NRA could never get their attention. Not only that, he shows many in the black community the lies and tales the democrats spin, helping recruit Blacks to the Trump Party. And what do they do? just stop communicating with him a year or two ago. Turns out Colin had his own branding and merchandize, and the NRA wasn't getting their nut so they kicked his bubblegum to the curb. They don't care about gun rights, reaching new people or anything that a reasonable person would think is their goals. They are there to make money. And that money is RARELY used to support the actual goals you think they would be used for.

All of which is why I said WLP has to go. But if you think that WLP is all the NRA is then you clearly have never worked in or with the NRA. It IS the membership. It is the people working training kids on gun safety. It's the people setting up a Friends of the NRA dinner. And it is all of us members who work together on political campaigns to fight bad initiatives or keep anti 2A people from gaining office. I get that you hate LaPierre and his gang. I don't like them either but you seem to have no clue about what else the NRA is or does and if you DO know all the NRA does and provides and yet still want to break the NRA up, I would have to wonder what your real purpose is and who you might be shilling for.

 

[madmax]

All of which is why I said WLP has to go. But if you think that WLP is all the NRA is then you clearly have never worked in or with the NRA. It IS the membership. It is the people working training kids on gun safety. It's the people setting up a Friends of the NRA dinner. And it is all of us members who work together on political campaigns to fight bad initiatives or keep anti 2A people from gaining office. I get that you hate LaPierre and his gang. I don't like them either but you seem to have no clue about what else the NRA is or does and if you DO know all the NRA does and provides and yet still want to break the NRA up, I would have to wonder what your real purpose is and who you might be shilling for.

Why is it you agree with him, try to put a good spin on it. Then insult him and imply he is work for gun control


Really, what the hell is going on in your heard that makes you think thatbwas angood idea?

 

[No_Regerts]

Why is it you agree with him, try to put a good spin on it. Then insult him and imply he is work for gun control


Really, what the hell is going on in your heard that makes you think thatbwas angood idea?

That's an interesting interpretation.

 

[GWS]

Why is it you agree with him, try to put a good spin on it. Then insult him and imply he is work for gun control


Really, what the hell is going on in your heard that makes you think thatbwas angood idea?

Try reading it again
The only thing I agreed on was that WLP must go. I don't agree with anything else and if you think that the destruction of the NRA is not the anti-gunner's goal then I have to wonder if anything at all is going on in your head.

 

[madmax]

Try reading it again
The only thing I agreed on was that WLP must go. I don't agree with anything else and if you think that the destruction of the NRA is not the anti-gunner's goal then I have to wonder if anything at all is going on in your head.

The NRA is about fund raising. Priod, end of story

 

[American123]

When someone is advocating the same position as Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden, makes you wonder.

 

[madmax]

When someone is advocating the same position as Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden, makes you wonder.

Like the assistant weapons ban, andd red flag laws

 

[nk02442]

I used to live 20 mins from NRA HQ, shot at their range atleast once a week, and worked with their museum folks often when i was the armorer/firearms SME for the branch of the agency I worked for.

Have friends who worked and still work there. Have been a member since i was a kid. Went to the NRA and various gun groups dinners and fundraising events.

Worked with the VADL and various guns rights groups in Maryland to stop the oppression as best we could. NRA contributed nothing. If they even helped A little with their recources we could have prevailed in some cases. They wouldn't lift a finger to help.

You should ask the rank and file how they feel about having their retirement funds diluted while WLP were extractings tens of millions a year to live like kings and queens. The rank and file making below poverty level salaries in one of the most expensive places to live in the USA, who work there because they want to protect your right, what they think of the NRA and its leadership

Pray tell me what the NRA does?

Provides support to ranges? Yea with the stipulation ranges have to be 100% NRA. They make more from the membership dues of the members then they every give towards range projects. This is a money racket for them

Provide insurance?
Yea crazy expensive insurance that they rake a cut off the top. Can find better coverage for cheaper elsewhere. This is a money racket for them.

About the only thing they do right is provide a system for training and qualifying instructors, abet at basic levels. Most NRA instructors have little to teach as they themelves have little formal firearms training and educatiom. But its better than Nothing so there you go.

They barely fight court cases. They should be filing lawsuits every day in every jurisdiction and using their immense recourses to fight back. But na, living like kings is Better than actually trying and working.

They block and work against actual 2a groups. They do more harm to the cause than their token support could ever help.

 

[American123]

Like the assistant weapons ban, andd red flag laws

I've been cut by knives before, but I still find them to be useful tools and I won't hope they are banned.

At the end of the day you just have to weigh the good and the bad, if the good outweighs the bad, probably worth keeping, if the bad outweighs the good, probably better to replace.

I personally view the NRA as worth keeping, despite things leadership has done that I haven't agreed with. Since they don't depend on your personal donation to exist, it looks like they will keep being the NRA. If the board and wayne have to take a steep pay cut or get replaced with more 2nd amendment zealots I'd be happy with that.

 

[No_Regerts]

They live rent-free in the head of any national Democrat candidate. Good enough for me!

 

[GWS]

The NRA is about fund raising. Priod, end of story

Then you haven't done anything with the NRA either or else you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. The NRA is its membership LaPierre is just the face that needs changing. Yes, they raise money. Running training costs money, lobbying costs money, range building costs money. Money pays to get things done. Unfortunately WLP and friends have filched too much of it, but the NRA is useful, it gets things done. Destroying it is a win for nobody who supports gun rights and a massive victory for anti-gunners.

 

[nk02442]

When someone is advocating the same position as Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden, makes you wonder.

You got us.

Your inability to have a rational discusion on the subject and resorting to the internet equivelent of "i know you are but what am I" has convinced everyone you are right.

Your intelectual capacity to make such a compelling arguement rooted in logic has everyone incapable of retorting.

We are democrats and socialists.

Dispite owning more firearms than your House or more like trailer is worth, we really just want ban them.

You got us.

 

[awshoot]

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Yes, the NRA still has a lot of sentimental value to a lot of members because of how they envision the organization runs or stands for against opposition.
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I think this guy nailed it. There is a ton of goodwill toward the organization by its members. I get that it's hard to get past nostalgia sometimes. I learned target .22 shooting at an NRA range and some of my oldest personal possessions are the NRA medals and patches I won when I was a kid.

But there are people with no soul in the world -- people who will take that goodwill and fond memories and fleece you dry with it. That's WLP. It's gotten so bad that the NRA is probably the nation's pre-eminent Anti-2A organization because it takes money that COULD be spent on protecting the 2A, and squanders it.

I personally don't know if the situation is fixable, but it would be nice to see what the other pro-2A orgs would do with 50x their current budgets. I think they might bring the fight and make gun control so costly, it would be less palatable for governments to engage in. I mean, if a city has to choose between litigating some misguided nonsense or public roads -- enough potholes and the mayor or governor or whatever is going to get booted. Sometimes you don't even have to win the case to win the issue -- just be the most vexatious intransigent sue happy bubblegum ever and bludgeon them with lawfare. NRA won't do that yet it has all the money. Maybe it's time for it to focus on ranges and classes and let the real gorillas loose.