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Great job Bill. That tire in the back seat looks iffy. Time for a bigger truck. Guy at work always says "If you are going to go, Go BIG"
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There were 4 tires in the back seat! I didn't have a rope and couldn't see leaving any behind, so, I improvised!Great job Bill. That tire in the back seat looks iffy. Time for a bigger truck. Guy at work always says "If you are going to go, Go BIG"
Not sure where to post this but this kind of thing drives me crazy and gets public shooting areas shut down.
If you look at the top of the hill toward the middle you will see my 18 yr-old son. The large tree just to the right of my son had a large bullseye target place next to it on the top of the berm. He has just taken it down.
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Just behind the rocks he is standing on is this ...
Yep a dedicated walking / equestrian trail!
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At this spot if you keep your targets low and shoot toward the berm there is no danger for the trail or surrounding areas. The backstop is much higher than it looks in the first wide angle shot. But, if you are shooing at the top of the berm you are launching projectiles toward who knows where, and hitting those rocks could produce a ricochet endangering trial users.
Lucky for us the timing of our arrival allowed us to make good points with a car full of trail walkers. We were just setting up when a vehicle came up the road, slowed and then rolled down the window. I went over to talk to them and they asked if we were shooting at that target because they were going to be back there in a few minutes. I was able to tell them we were just setting up and would be shooting at the base of the berm (pointing toward some targets that were already there) and that we were just getting ready to head up there and pull down the offending target.
They all thanked us with deep sincerity ... so who knows what they thought of shooters before ... hopefully they think a little better of them now.
We have to remember that public lands are used by a whole lot more non-shooting folks than those that shoot. We are outnumbered, we can not afford to alienate even one non-shooter ... because they have a voice and can / will vote!
Rant off!
Rant on! Please! This issue needs more attention an needs to be on the top of our minds when going out to shoot.Not sure where to post this but this kind of thing drives me crazy and gets public shooting areas shut down.
If you look at the top of the hill toward the middle you will see my 18 yr-old son. The large tree just to the right of my son had a large bullseye target place next to it on the top of the berm. He has just taken it down.
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Just behind the rocks he is standing on is this ...
Yep a dedicated walking / equestrian trail!
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At this spot if you keep your targets low and shoot toward the berm there is no danger for the trail or surrounding areas. The backstop is much higher than it looks in the first wide angle shot. But, if you are shooing at the top of the berm you are launching projectiles toward who knows where, and hitting those rocks could produce a ricochet endangering trial users.
Lucky for us the timing of our arrival allowed us to make good points with a car full of trail walkers. We were just setting up when a vehicle came up the road, slowed and then rolled down the window. I went over to talk to them and they asked if we were shooting at that target because they were going to be back there in a few minutes. I was able to tell them we were just setting up and would be shooting at the base of the berm (pointing toward some targets that were already there) and that we were just getting ready to head up there and pull down the offending target.
They all thanked us with deep sincerity ... so who knows what they thought of shooters before ... hopefully they think a little better of them now.
We have to remember that public lands are used by a whole lot more non-shooting folks than those that shoot. We are outnumbered, we can not afford to alienate even one non-shooter ... because they have a voice and can / will vote!
Rant off!
Thanks for the report. Okay then, let's de-graffiti that place! I think a can of Graffiti remover is about 10 bucks at Miller Paint. I'll pick up a couple, take up some brushes, rags and perhaps a wire brush on my drill. See what I can remove. I might be able to talk @WrenchNguns into joining me! Although I'm On-Call this weekend, we rarely get calls so I should be okay to go up. (We rarely get calls because I maintain those furnaces so well! ) Saturday afternoon may be my best opportunity.No problem Bill. I always pull a ton of trash out of there too. I brought home 3 5-gallon pails full of spend shotgun hulls this trip. Unfortunatly I only have so much room in the car and a limited amount of room in my weekly trash can!
Another thing there that I forgot to photograph is graffiti. Some idiot tagged some of the barrier boulders along the roadside. I noticed it three weeks ago and planned to bring some spray paint along with me to blot it out the next time up. Well, the last two times I've been up I've forgotten the paint and as you can imagine the tagging has spread. The best way to stop graffiti is to immediately blot it out or clean if off depending. So I failed on this account, I'm worried about this site as it's very close in and a lot of non-shooters pass it by since the area has ORV trails as well as horse and foot paths. I can see this place getting shut down because of all of this.
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Weather may be better mid next week. If it's dry for that weekend of the 28th, I'd be good to go up with some paint.Hey @Cogs , just saw this thread. What a horrible mess up there. Hopefully the weather will clear up some to be able to get up there to do some more cleaning. Thanks for your hard work.
It's crazy how many people don't have basic, common sense in where they are pointing their guns. If you don't KNOW where your rounds are going, then you DON'T know and...not knowing = danger. Some people think if they hit a rock on top of a berm that rock is going to stop the round or something...well, it's not. These people need to watch videos of people shooting tracer rounds. It shows you the path of a round that you couldn't see without it. Those things can keep going for a mile and not necessarily in the direction you were shooting. Those rounds still have serious and perhaps lethal velocity after ricocheting. Here is a video of a guy shooting 5.56 tracers at a steel targer 600 yards away.Not sure where to post this but this kind of thing drives me crazy and gets public shooting areas shut down.
If you look at the top of the hill toward the middle you will see my 18 yr-old son. The large tree just to the right of my son had a large bullseye target place next to it on the top of the berm. He has just taken it down.
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Just behind the rocks he is standing on is this ...
Yep a dedicated walking / equestrian trail!
View attachment 623960
At this spot if you keep your targets low and shoot toward the berm there is no danger for the trail or surrounding areas. The backstop is much higher than it looks in the first wide angle shot. But, if you are shooing at the top of the berm you are launching projectiles toward who knows where, and hitting those rocks could produce a ricochet endangering trial users.
Lucky for us the timing of our arrival allowed us to make good points with a car full of trail walkers. We were just setting up when a vehicle came up the road, slowed and then rolled down the window. I went over to talk to them and they asked if we were shooting at that target because they were going to be back there in a few minutes. I was able to tell them we were just setting up and would be shooting at the base of the berm (pointing toward some targets that were already there) and that we were just getting ready to head up there and pull down the offending target.
They all thanked us with deep sincerity ... so who knows what they thought of shooters before ... hopefully they think a little better of them now.
We have to remember that public lands are used by a whole lot more non-shooting folks than those that shoot. We are outnumbered, we cannot afford to alienate even one non-shooter ... because they have a voice and can / will vote!
Rant off!
Thanks, Jcon! Point well illustrated!It's crazy how many people don't have basic, common sense in where they are pointing their guns. If you don't KNOW where your rounds are going, then you DON'T know and...not knowing = danger. Some people think if they hit a rock on top of a berm that rock is going to stop the round or something...well, it's not. These people need to watch videos of people shooting tracer rounds. It shows you the path of a round that you couldn't see without it. Those things can keep going for a mile and not necessarily in the direction you were shooting. Those rounds still have serious and perhaps lethal velocity after ricocheting. Here is a video of a guy shooting 5.56 tracers at a steel targer 600 yards away.
Now, I'd like to see the same thing that has a tilted steel target so the deflections go down into the ground. I suspect most all rounds would deflect down, thus making shooting steel a safer option for public land use. The primary goal is that no rounds leave the range. A straight hanging target on chain seems to invite wild ricocheting.It's crazy how many people don't have basic, common sense in where they are pointing their guns. If you don't KNOW where your rounds are going, then you DON'T know and...not knowing = danger. Some people think if they hit a rock on top of a berm that rock is going to stop the round or something...well, it's not. These people need to watch videos of people shooting tracer rounds. It shows you the path of a round that you couldn't see without it. Those things can keep going for a mile and not necessarily in the direction you were shooting. Those rounds still have serious and perhaps lethal velocity after ricocheting. Here is a video of a guy shooting 5.56 tracers at a steel targer 600 yards away.
This vid shows a good visual effect of where the fragments go when the steel is angle downward. I also saw the same effects when shooting an angled target over dusty dirt (you can see the dust line of the fragments.Now, I'd like to see the same thing that has a tilted steel target so the deflections go down into the ground. I suspect most all rounds would deflect down, thus making shooting steel a safer option for public land use. The primary goal is that no rounds leave the range. A straight hanging target on chain seems to invite wild ricocheting.
(I was kind of surprised at how many rounds they shot and deflected, just to show lots of video of the tracer rounds. Were they really 1-3 miles away from any buildings or people? They could have stopped at 2-3 rounds and then ran slow motion to emphasize the point. Even though it looks obvious this was done on private property, I hope the vid doesn't encourage people to want to use tracer rounds on public land! People see that and think "Cool, I want to do that", but they don't have the private property to do it on, so where do they go?... That could be a big concern too!)
... A straight hanging target on chain seems to invite wild ricocheting. ...
Where was the 2nd photo taken? Looks like a nice spot!Plan ahead to shoot responsibly on public lands.
Choose wisely!
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Where was the 2nd photo taken? Looks like a nice spot!