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No, that's steamboat willy engineer stuff.. toot toot!Correct.
Physics is the correct science for FPS and FPE, current science is Electrical.
Brcu
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No, that's steamboat willy engineer stuff.. toot toot!Correct.
Physics is the correct science for FPS and FPE, current science is Electrical.
Brcu
Don't you think that load is a little light for grouse?I have no idea...and I really don't care to know.
What I do know is that my hunting load of :
80-100 grains of 2F with a .15 patch..and .530 round ball has resulted in me getting :
Grouse...
Coyote....
Antelope...
Deer...
Elk...
And Bear.
All shots have been "pass through"...so I would guess that is enough of whatever formula , magic number or anything else.
As noted by others...
Shot placement is more important that whatever some chart says.....
Use the appropriate bullet design for the animal hunted...
Never underestimate the will to live in a animal....
Never over estimate your shooting ability ....
Andy
Sometimes they charge when they are wounded.Don't you think that load is a little light for grouse?
Incorrect or not, Terminal Velocity is the term used by bullet and ammo manufacturers these days to describe the minimum velocity needed to make the bullet expand. I believe it is used that way because it is the velocity needed when the bullet flight is terminated and it's job on the target starts.Terminal velocity is when an object reaches it's maximum speed and will not accelerate any faster. That's what @Cape_hunter was trying to get at.
Effective velocity is what @Koda is describing. It's how fast a bullet must be travelling to be successful on specific game.
No it's not what they use, most use min impact velocity or jsut impact velocity...and I also knew what he was getting at. Thats the point and why I was trying to help him understand the correct language if he discussing terminal ballistics. Not sure why it was met with such denial.Incorrect or not, Terminal Velocity is the term used by bullet and ammo manufacturers these days to describe the minimum velocity needed to make the bullet expand. I believe it is used that way because it is the velocity needed when the bullet flight is terminated and it's job on the target starts.
That's why @Koda used it. I knew what he meant.
Back to the question at hand.
I also have read that the requirement is 1000fpe for deer. I've also been taught that fpe is a terrible way to judge the effectiveness of a bullet...
I have faith that the last three deer I shot I could have killed with my 357 revolver. The farthest was 35 yards(ish). I also got caught in the field during deer season without a rifle and had a chest shot on a small buck at about 15 yards. All I had was my 45ACP with good, self defense ammo. I had no doubt I could have taken him, but when I noticed that I hadn't cleared the roadway yet, I didn't shoot.
When I was spearfishing in Hawaii, there's a species of fish that knows how long you can hold your breath and how far your gun shoots.Something to consider here.....
Cartridges like :
.30-30...
.308...
.30-06....
.270.....
.243...
.45-70 ( Trapdoor loadings )
And many more....
All have been around for a long time....mostly because the loadings and bullets used with these cartridges work well for their intended game.
So...I would guess that if someone just had to put some sort of FPE . FPS , BVD magic number...
Whatever numbers those cartridges have , seem to do just fine.
In any event...
Luckily for hunters game animals don't read ballistic charts....
However , I think that they do read the game season regulations.....
Andy
His kicks are measured in ft/kikotonsView attachment 1834771
Neither Chuck Norris' FPS, nor his FPE can be measured with current sciences...
LolWell I tried not to roll around in the weeds with you all but I simply use minimum expansion velocity to describe what you all were talking about. If you need an acronym we could call it MEV. MEV concern can simply be avoided by using bullets that don't need to expand to be effectve!
Well, you might get some knowledge, but wrapped in plenty of BS.Just search Ron Spomer outdoors on YouTube and you will know everything there is to know about the subject.
Actually a 500 gr bullet launched at 1000fps is far from low recoil but it is definitely not as sharp as some high power rifles. I did mange to scope myself with my 458 socom once when I had a stock deployment issue.Bullet technology is much better now, especially in monolithics expanding. The Maker monos are scored to expand perfectly.
With a hypothetically perfect shot placement even if a bullet didn't expand, as long as it had the energy to pass thru a well executed shot in the small incapacitation zones would still drop any game. Heart, head, spine, forward and high shoulder shots; with a bullet that penetrates will drop them like a rock. At the distances your hunting you will have a larger precision advantage I can see optimizing quieter (sub sonic?) less recoil weapon options for you.