Washington Confiscation in Seattle

[makmayne]

Does not change my point.......still drug related more than related to poverty. I am a strong proponent of drug testing for welfare recipients and would like to explore people on the dole loosing there voting rights until they get off. I belive it was Jefferson that said when people learn they can vote themselves money from the government, the republic will be doomed.

AGAIN...What does this have to do with GUNS??? Start a new thread if all you want to do is place blame and not stick to the topic

 

[makmayne]

Agree with all that. Many who are mentally or physically ill do need assistance and I have no problem with the government helping them. It's the able-bodied sane people who don't want to work that should not get a government check, at least not for very long. Argonaut is correct - they should not be able to vote.

So we went from guns being taken by legal owners, to blaming the ghettos, to blaming welfare, to blaming drugs, and now voting. This is exactly why the left doesn't respect your rhetoric. Stick to ONE topic at a time and maybe there can be an agreement. When you compile different points to one topic you lose those who are on the fence because now you confused them, and they are unsure what your real point is

 

[Nutz503]

If we aren't going farther and looking at the reasons why minority's groups are just beginning to break the poverty of centuries then we aren't actually trying to see the problem for what it is. You gotta take ito account treatment, being slaves, barely having equal rights within the last 100 years, and so on. Ignore all the ways white society has made it near impossible to break out of poverty then there's no reason for most to accept arguments for black crime epidemics.

I'm very late to weigh in here, but I just read this entire thread and this post really irritates me. Why is it that your reference to past injustice to minorities only leads to the ominous plight of Black Americans?

This is coming from a Japanese American who's parents were interned during WWII and whose relatives also fought in that same war for the country that imprisoned them.

 

[American123]

So again you are blaming the wrong ppl, the person begging for change living under a bridge is not a gun owner. Best believe when the first story hits about a transient shooting the privileged then the powers that be will cleanse our streets and rid all of those living on them.

Back on topic - Gun bans and gun laws affect the law abiding population more than anyone, especially those intent on committing crime despite any law.

You seem to be missing the point that was made in context, we are going to punish people that haven't committed crimes with this type of law and I juxtaposed it with the same idea but implemented in a different way.

If you climb down off your high horse as the 'representative of sensible gun owners' and examine the 'left' you have referenced it is clear that trying to find common ground with people who desire total disarmament is a non starter.

 

[alv7722]

If we aren't going farther and looking at the reasons why minority's groups are just beginning to break the poverty of centuries then we aren't actually trying to see the problem for what it is. You gotta take ito account treatment, being slaves, barely having equal rights within the last 100 years, and so on. Ignore all the ways white society has made it near impossible to break out of poverty then there's no reason for most to accept arguments for black crime epidemics.

White people, in general, are not holding anyone back. It is the "democratic socialists", and their ilk like Maxine Waters and her flying monkeys, that strive to convince minorities that they have no chance to succeed!! The only thing to hope for is more government hand outs, confiscated from the working class, of ALL colors. The minority families that have maintained a traditional family unit, with the Father remaining in the household, have predominantly succeeded in gaining education, and becoming a success, in spite of the poverty pimps!

The first step to success is throwing off the handle of being African-American, Black-American, Hispanic-American, and any other hyphenated crap and identify as American!! That is a choice any can make, but don't want to.

 

[Argonaut]

White people, in general, are not holding anyone back. It is the "democratic socialists", and their ilk like Maxine Waters and her flying monkeys, that strive to convince minorities that they have no chance to succeed!! The only thing to hope for is more government hand outs, confiscated from the working class, of ALL colors. The minority families that have maintained a traditional family unit, with the Father remaining in the household, have predominantly succeeded in gaining education, and becoming a success, in spite of the poverty pimps!

The first step to success is throwing off the handle of being African-American, Black-American, Hispanic-American, and any other hyphenated crap and identify as American!! That is a choice any can make, but don't want to.

Great comment............

 

[alv7722]

If we aren't going farther and looking at the reasons why minority's groups are just beginning to break the poverty of centuries then we aren't actually trying to see the problem for what it is. You gotta take ito account treatment, being slaves, barely having equal rights within the last 100 years, and so on. Ignore all the ways white society has made it near impossible to break out of poverty then there's no reason for most to accept arguments for black crime epidemics.

Except that black crime, per capita, is much greater than that of other races. Fact again. But, yes, crime is unacceptable. White people have bent over all kinds of ways to help the minority communities. Fact is, this help has been deformed by the leftists (including black activists) to keep minorities in poverty. White guilt was absolved by the unfortunate election of Barrack Obummer.

 

[U8395279]

Wow, stats are starting to come in from Florida on gun confiscations taking place there. Florida's new Risk Protection Act has now been in effect just a little over two months. Yet, it is being reported that over 467 gun owners there have already had their firearms seized and taken away from them, under this new law.

The county with the most seizures is Broward County, where 88 gun owners have lost their right to possess firearms, and had their guns taken away. The Broward Sheriff would not provide any further stats, beyond that.

The 2nd most active County for Risk Protection gun seizures was Pinellas County. Their Sheriff's department has reported that they are devoting a full time team of 5 Sheriff Deputies just to Risk Protection order gun seizures. They reported that they have seized over 200 firearms, and around 30,000 rounds of ammunition, so far. Wow, law enforcement is actually devoting officers solely for making gun confiscations there. Amazing.

Most disturbing of all, is that some of these risk protection order requests, have not involved individuals with either any criminal history, nor any history of mental illness either. They were simply found to have posted messages online that made other people feel afraid or frightened. In one case a person posted about having a dream of killing a person. In another case, a person posted how much they supported and admired a mass shooter. Neither case involved the person actually threatening anyone.

Overall, though, public officials have all defended the law, saying that it is working well. But are such laws not open to abuse?

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to surrender guns months after new gun law took effect


Additional Note: I think that most people here would like to get back onto discussing this very important topic. You guys that want to discuss racial issues should start your own new topic, instead of hijacking this one, and polluting this discussion with off-topic posts.
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[Andy54Hawken]

Can we bring the discussion back around to the topic of
Gun confiscation in Seattle...the merits of the law and video , etc....
Thank you ,
Andy

 

[alv7722]

In reality, violent crime is related mostly to the distribution side, the side that springs into existence under any form of prohibition and since black-marketeers act outside the law, of course they handle disputes outside the law.

Prohibition seems to be one of the lessons from history the gun grabbers did not learn. I believe it brought on more crime and violence than any other event in our history. It seems the Socialists/Communists do not learn from history, they simply attempt to rewrite it!

 

[American123]

What's new, gun grabbers gonna gun grab.

 

[alv7722]

Additional Note: I think that most people here would like to get back onto discussing this very important topic. You guys that want to discuss racial issues should start your own new topic, instead of hijacking this one, and polluting this discussion with off-topic posts.
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Here is a survivalist site that may be more amenable to political discussion. Hope to see some of you there, esp CombativeMechanic from Hell!! They have a forum for political discussion.

Survivalist Forum

 

[U8395279]

Here is a survivalist site that may be more amenable to political discussion. Hope to see some of you there, esp CombativeMechanic from Hell!! They have a forum for political discussion.

Survivalist Forum

I think that you are missing the point of the objections that have been posted here, The only complaints that I have seen here, have been simply about hijacking an existing thread, and taking it off topic. And that is just a matter of common Internet etiquette. It is considered to be rude behavior in online forums, to try to take over an existing discussion thread, and take it onto a new topic.

And that is really just basic Netiquette 101, that's all. These Red Flag gun confiscations are currently a hot topic.
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[makmayne]

Back on topic - Gun bans and gun laws affect the law abiding population more than anyone, especially those intent on committing crime despite any law.

You seem to be missing the point that was made in context, we are going to punish people that haven't committed crimes with this type of law and I juxtaposed it with the same idea but implemented in a different way.

If you climb down off your high horse as the 'representative of sensible gun owners' and examine the 'left' you have referenced it is clear that trying to find common ground with people who desire total disarmament is a non starter.

Again...what does that have to do with the poor. I'm not on a high horse, I just check this site to gain info on GUNS and hear those like yourself bring up points that do not support your initial claim. So instead of being informed I am reading about how you feel about people less fortunate than yourself.

I don't agree with anyone having their guns taken prematurely, but I also don't agree with people placing the blame where it does not belong and furthermore using the wrong subset of our society as a scapegoat.

Oh trust me I understand your point, if you do not see it as unnecessary then that's on you, anyone with half a brain understands what point you made. I think people say "in context" to give them an out to say something offensive. "I didn't mean anything by it"..."I'm not racsict"...if that is the case then think before you speak.

People always throw out welfare as a way to subliminally intend to speak about people of color, much like when people say ghetto...fact of the matter is that America is mostly white and also the highest percentage of welfare recipients. Do some research before you perpetuate false stereotypes.

 

[American123]

Again...what does that have to do with the poor. I'm not on a high horse, I just check this site to gain info on GUNS and hear those like yourself bring up points that do not support your initial claim. So instead of being informed I am reading about how you feel about people less fortunate than yourself.

I don't agree with anyone having their guns taken prematurely, but I also don't agree with people placing the blame where it does not belong and furthermore using the wrong subset of our society as a scapegoat.

Oh trust me I understand your point, if you do not see it as unnecessary then that's on you, anyone with half a brain understands what point you made. I think people say "in context" to give them an out to say something offensive. "I didn't mean anything by it"..."I'm not racsict"...if that is the case then think before you speak.

People always throw out welfare as a way to subliminally intend to speak about people of color, much like when people say ghetto...fact of the matter is that America is mostly white and also the highest percentage of welfare recipients. Do some research before you perpetuate false stereotypes.

We can take this back and forth to PM if you wish to stay off topic of the OP, the deviation regarding poverty / drugs has already been beaten to death in this thread and your jumping in after it was effectively finished. Additionally, as I have already vanquished those who have tried to engage in combative discussion, I'm not particularly interested in what for me will be a never ending game of whackamole with those who may want to jump back into topic. Thank you.

Regarding the OP, red flag laws are well intentioned, but wrought with terrible constitutional right infringements.

 

[makmayne]

Except that black crime, per capita, is much greater than that of other races. Fact again. But, yes, crime is unacceptable. White people have bent over all kinds of ways to help the minority communities. Fact is, this help has been deformed by the leftists (including black activists) to keep minorities in poverty. White guilt was absolved by the unfortunate election of Barrack Obummer.

So per capita means In essence, percentage, to total number of people. There are more than half of the states in the US that blacks don't even live in (or enough to make a difference). So per capita of crime in let's say South Dakota is not going to be majority minorities, and certainly not blacks. The population of blacks in America is less than 13%. Black are not the only minority btw. So in high concentrated areas populated but poor people (not just black people) there is higher crime. That's a given.

It costs over $50,000 to house an inmate per year, how much does it cost to go to Harvard?

White people have bent over backwards? How so exactly? And whites have also benefited the most. Remember white people came to America voluntarily.

You say blacks then follow with minorities, as if there is only one minority in America. And watch how loosely you throw out that word because stats say Hispanics are very close (and those are the ones documented).

Answer this do you honestly think "minorities" want to stay poor? Sounds ignorant even repeating this, but why in the **** do you think people sell drugs for? I'll answer, to make MONEY!!!!

There are areas in this country where if you are caught in a certain neighborhood (most of the time it's the very neighborhood them and their families have grown up in) you can go to prison for a violation. Could you imagine that happening in Beverly Hills? Probably not.

 

[makmayne]

We can take this back and forth to PM if you wish to stay off topic of the OP, the deviation regarding poverty / drugs has already been beaten to death in this thread and your jumping in after it was effectively finished. Additionally, as I have already vanquished those who have tried to engage in combative discussion, I'm not particularly interested in what for me will be a never ending game of whackamole with those who may want to jump back into topic. Thank you.

Regarding the OP, red flag laws are well intentioned, but wrought with terrible constitutional right infringements.

The second post on this thread was made by yourself and you were the first to steer this topic off course. We all could stick to the topic if everybody stuck to the topic. I'm merely commenting on the fact you took it there. So now that you are ready to go back to topic I guess we all should. After countless defensive posts in response. I am just tired of the unnecessary commentary and decided to speak up today.

I just wanted to find out about Seattle confiscating guns not your personal take on the poor

 

[American123]

The second post on this thread was made by yourself and you were the first to steer this topic off course. We all could stick to the topic if everybody stuck to the topic. I'm merely commenting on the fact you took it there. So now that you are ready to go back to topic I guess we all should. After countless defensive posts in response. I am just tired of the unnecessary commentary and decided to speak up today.

I just wanted to find out about Seattle confiscating guns not your personal take on the poor

If we really want to banter about it, my comment was hardly a steer off topic, it was more like a piece of shiny foil that I tossed into the wind and had no idea the intensity with which a few members would haphazardly chase after a shiny object.

If you were merely interested in Seattle confiscating guns, the original OP article had everything that there was to know regarding actual information that has transpired, how personally offended you are with what you read afterward was entirely your call, but this thread is really being taken way too seriously by other members. Would you like to continue to banter about this so that you feel special and that your opinion matters too? Because you seem interested to continue to discuss my original post. Really at this point anyone who goes to this thread is going to read the OP, see the BS confiscation laws, then see that 8 pages later some members panties are still bunched and probably have a good laugh about it unless they get triggered and want to continue the banter.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Well heck if we are this far off the rails of my original post here goes my statement sure to p!$$ everyone off:

Mister bald confiscation cop is all bold and brave with is back up and has no problem bulling an odd white loner out of his legal firearms, but if he really wants to stop "gun violence" he should hit the downtown streets of Seattle at night to stop and frisk anyone in gang dress or colors for illegal guns.

 

[American123]

Well heck if we are this far off the rails of my original post here goes my statement sure to p!$$ everyone off:

Mister bald confiscation cop is all bold and brave with is back up and has no problem bulling an odd white loner out of his legal firearms, but if he really wants to stop "gun violence" he should hit the downtown streets of Seattle at night to stop and frisk anyone in gang dress or colors for illegal guns.

You could have done better lol