2nd Amendment (for the elite)

[ma96782]

Now if you use and then go commit a felony your right to own a gun is gone. I have no issue with that. Whether it be when your drunk or high.

Just saying.....BUT, But, but.....

In the past, many a "felony" was punishable by the DEATH SENTENCE.
Yup.....and it surely cut down of the "repeat offender problem(s)."
And not to mention, that it acted as a deterrence for some.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Member 53328]

Just saying.....BUT, But, but.....

In the past, many a "felony" was punishable by the DEATH SENTENCE.
Yup.....and it surely cut down of the "repeat offender problem(s)."
And not to mention, that it acted as a deterrence for some.

Aloha, Mark

But, but, but…..

I don't care. We should be killing a lot of more felons then we are right now.

 

[DunRanull]

Just saying.....BUT, But, but.....

In the past, many a "felony" was punishable by the DEATH SENTENCE.
Yup.....and it surely cut down of the "repeat offender problem(s)."

Aloha, Mark

Yep, back in the day, English Common Law required the death sentence for most all felonies- and misdemeanors were a lot more serious than they are today. "Transportation" to the Colonies, Barbados, or Oz was a way of not extracting a death sentence for relatively minor crimes and getting the offender out of society. Yessir, "felony" was dead serious then for sure.

 

[msgriff]

This is somewhat of a trick question, but where in the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Amendments does it state that murderers and other violent felons, or the insane, cannot own or possess arms?

 

[Flopsweat]

This is somewhat of a trick question, but where in the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Amendments does it state that murderers and other violent felons, or the insane, cannot own or possess arms?

I agree. I also feel that if you're not safe to be in society with a weapon, you're not safe to be in our society. You stay in prison. That, of course is easy to say and very difficult to administer fairly.

 

[Member 53328]

This is somewhat of a trick question, but where in the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Amendments does it state that murderers and other violent felons, or the insane, cannot own or possess arms?

It doesn't.

 

[echo1]

Daddy was heard telling someone he's concerned he'll croak before 's trials are over.

One can dream.

I hope he lasts until he's replaced cause Harris would be worse, if that' even possible. PAX

 

[msgriff]

(un-quoted)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

In the terms and usage of 18th century English vernacular, what does "well regulated" mean? to you?

 

[Flopsweat]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

In the terms and usage of 18th century English vernacular, what does "well regulated" mean to you?

IIRC, it means armed, dressed and trained similarly.

 

[Member 53328]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

In the terms and usage of 18th century English vernacular, what does "well regulated" mean to you?

You tell me.

 

[Flopsweat]

You tell me.

No offense, but how would he know what it means to you?

 

[Member 53328]

No offense, but how would he know what it means to you?

He specifically said it was a "trick question." I'm not playing.

 

[Flopsweat]

He specifically said it was a "trick question." I'm not playing.

Fair point.

 

[msgriff]

IIRC, it means armed, dressed and trained similarly.

I will quote you, though!
Do you think, once again using 18th century usage, that mental or moral aspects of a person were considered when using "well regulated"?

 

[Flopsweat]

I will quote you, though!
Do you think, once again using 18th century usage, that mental or moral aspects of a person were considered when using "well regulated"?

I don't. What's your point?

 

[msgriff]

I don't. What's your point?

"Well regulated" was not a term unique to the 2nd Amendment. A clock that functioned properly could be called "well regulated". There are other literary examples of the term and its usage from the era. Some Constitutional scholars have argued that the common use of "well regulated" in the 1700's would include the mental and moral fitness of a person regarding their 2nd Amendment rights. Those arguments are made as a reason to deny felons and the insane from possessing arms. Some could argue that those addicted to drugs are not "well regulated", or functioning properly.

 

[Duneblaster]

 

[Member 53328]

"Well regulated" was not a term unique to the 2nd Amendment. A clock that functioned properly could be called "well regulated". There are other literary examples of the term and its usage from the era. Some Constitutional scholars have argued that the common use of "well regulated" in the 1700's would include the mental and moral fitness of a person regarding their 2nd Amendment rights. Those arguments are made as a reason to deny felons and the insane from possessing arms. Some could argue that those addicted to drugs are not "well regulated", or functioning properly.

So the same should be said for alcohol.

 

[msgriff]

So the same should be said for alcohol.

You are, of course, free to take that position and argue for such.

 

[Member 53328]

You are, of course, free to take that position and argue for such.

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"Some could argue that those addicted to drugs are not "well regulated", or functioning properly."

What's the difference between being addicted to alcohol and being addicted to other substances? One is legal and the other isn't……

I've been sober for almost 5 years. I don't have a dog in this fight. Simply stating that just because the "government" has said one is ok to consume and own a gun but the other disqualifies ownership is bullsh!t.

But then again I hate the government and don't really care what they say.