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So the kid pulls a 119 GT which will get him into whatever school the Army has that is open. That doesn't mean all that much. He may have to wait a while to get whatever school he wants. He's looking at 68a and 68P right now but who knows if the school billets will be available. Hes got his physical Wednesday and typically thats signing day but he's go to get a waiver for a plated clavicle from a basketball injury. No big deal they do those all the time. Prime physical example otherwise.
 
Signed up today. 68A Biomedical Equipment Specialist. 6 year minimum for that one. No bonus. Easy 100K a year when he gets out right out the door. They have a HARD time keeping people in that MOS for some reason :).
 
As to "6 years".

When I went in, I talked to my Dad (WWII Navy, then 21 years Air Force) about the choice of 4 years or 6. (If you signed for 6...Air Force...you got two stripes outta Basic Training.)

He asked me one question: "Do you intend to make a career out of it?" Negative. I wanted the GI Bill for school.

"You better not sign for 6 then, because you don't like doing what you're told."

He was absolutely right. It was probably the best job I ever had, in an organization that had no claim to that word, and I was very lucky not to have "extended my tour" at Duty Station Leavenworth.

Security Specialist, Northern Tier Minuteman Missile Field.

Air Base Defense Combat trained
Urban Warfare trained
Riot Control trained
Security Alert Team Leader
Camper Alert Team Leader
Missile Flight Security Controller
Missile Support Flight Dispatcher
Quick Reaction Force Team Leader (Airborne armed security for nuclear weapon and guidance system transport convoys.)
 
As to "6 years".

When I went in, I talked to my Dad (WWII Navy, then 21 years Air Force) about the choice of 4 years or 6. (If you signed for 6...Air Force...you got two stripes outta Basic Training.)

He asked me one question: "Do you intend to make a career out of it?" Negative. I wanted the GI Bill for school.

"You better not sign for 6 then, because you don't like doing what you're told."

He was absolutely right. It was probably the best job I ever had, in an organization that had no claim to that word, and I was very lucky not to have "extended my tour" at Duty Station Leavenworth.

Security Specialist, Northern Tier Minuteman Missile Field.

Air Base Defense Combat trained
Urban Warfare trained
Riot Control trained
Security Alert Team Leader
Camper Alert Team Leader
Missile Flight Security Controller
Missile Support Flight Dispatcher
Quick Reaction Force Team Leader (Airborne armed security for nuclear weapon and guidance system transport convoys.)
there some jobs, like the one he got , where the enlistment is 6 years no matter what you want. 14 months of training. Like i said that have a hard time keeping people in the MOS because the civilian world jobs are like 100% compatible and AIT is essentially a Associates degree in the trades.
 
...and on another note, regarding recruitment "guarantees" (serving with your buddies, MOS of your choice, etc.). It is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to study the disqualifiers of these "guarantees".

For instance, a "guaranteed" MOS evaporates if the soldier washes out of the school. It can also evaporate under relatively minor disciplinary issues. It can evaporate under increased readiness levels (threat of war, troop insertions, etc.).

Encourage him to be less attracted to the "guarantee", and more attentive to how it can be negated. This is also a good awareness to maintain in ALL things the military SAYS it will do. :cool:
 
I agree. About the only guarantees in the military are punitive. If possible, I would push out any military service until the next election. Things are getting salty out there with several world leaders talking reckless and betting on the US to support them.

Most careers can still be obtained through regular schools on the outside. Including myself, getting away from my surroundings and family drama helped dramatically. In my case it was through the USAF though. But if he's old enough to sign up all you can do is advise and support.

PS: I actually signed up in the Army. My uncle had done 20+ years in the AF and convinced me of a better quality of living. If your son scored that high in testing, it's worth a look. Unless things have changed. I would also look at available duty stations for that career field.
 
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Meh..and if he doesn't like it or can't fit in, he just needs to smoke some crack and get an Admin discharge.

It's called the Hunter Method.
Hes going into the hospital field. He'll be alright. Smart kid. Athletic and fit. 6'4 and 175 lbs of lean muscle. All of my kids and extended family going back generations back to the French and Indian war have served without regards to the political climate. Its not about them
 
Sounds like he's already decided to serve in one way or another. If he wants to maximize his experience, get all the schools and training that he can, even to the point of working towards an associates degree as soon as possible. Doesn't need to make a big deal of it, just quietly take advantage of what's available.

Leadership and accountability will probably be the biggest benefit he can take from the service. Advancing in those will not only benefit him on the outside, but will also make his life easier while in the service. No matter what field or what assignments he gets, attitude is everything, and will get him as far, if not farther than his ability.
 
Sounds like he's already decided to serve in one way or another. If he wants to maximize his experience, get all the schools and training that he can, even to the point of working towards an associates degree as soon as possible. Doesn't need to make a big deal of it, just quietly take advantage of what's available.

Leadership and accountability will probably be the biggest benefit he can take from the service. Advancing in those will not only benefit him on the outside, but will also make his life easier while in the service. No matter what field or what assignments he gets, attitude is everything, and will get him as far, if not farther than his ability.
That MOS school is directly transferred into an associates with 3 additional classes.
 
I agree. About the only guarantees in the military are punitive. If possible, I would push out any military service until the next election. Things are getting salty out there with several world leaders talking reckless and betting on the US to support them.

Most careers can still be obtained through regular schools on the outside. Including myself, getting away from my surroundings and family drama helped dramatically. In my case it was through the USAF though. But if he's old enough to sign up all you can do is advise and support.

PS: I actually signed up in the Army. My uncle had done 20+ years in the AF and convinced me of a better quality of living. If your son scored that high in testing, it's worth a look. Unless things have changed. I would also look at available duty stations for that career field.
My oldest son was in the Air Force. He was able to 75% finish his bachelors degree while he was in the Air Force.

Thats how little he did while in the Air Force as far as work goes. . He was bored out of his mind. Always wished he had joined the Army.
 
Regardless of branch of service, or MOS (cooks to pilots)… EVERYONE'S primary MOS is a rifleman.


In modern warfare the frontline is everywhere. With our southern border being what it is, CONUS is going to learn that hard lesson soon.
Yeah sure. It would have to be a near extinction level event for the Army to pull everyone out of their MOS's to throw them into the infantry and if thats the case he's right where he needs to be.

I got one PM from some whack job railing on me on how Biden wants to destroy America and how dare I let my son serve under Biden Blah Blah Blah . Hey, are you a communist ? whats up with that tattoo? Go take your meds bud.
 
My oldest son was in the Air Force. He was able to 75% finish his bachelors degree while he was in the Air Force.

Thats how little he did while in the Air Force as far as work goes. . He was bored out of his mind. Always wished he had joined the Army.
We had an Army Patriot missile battery that was stationed on our AF base that liked to do their morning runs through the dorm area, hooping and hollering, to wake us up. Some people 🙄. It just left one in a foul mood while being served breakfast at the Air Force dinning facility.

Serving your country is an admirable act. I did 10 yrs active/reserves. I've been on several Army, Navy and Marine bases. I helps some Green Berets with communications in Columbia. They rewarded me by letting me run with them through the jungle. Scariest thing I ever did. Sheer cliff drop offs, snakes, monkeys, heat. Their words said thank you. Their eyes said something else.

I kept bring up things like, is that safe? Hmm, looks like a long way down. Are we heading back soon?
 
We had an Army Patriot missile battery that was stationed on our AF base that liked to do their morning runs through the dorm area, hooping and hollering, to wake us up. Some people 🙄. It just left one in a foul mood while being served breakfast at the Air Force dinning facility.

Serving your country is an admirable act. I did 10 yrs active/reserves. I've been on several Army, Navy and Marine bases. I helps some Green Berets with communications in Columbia. They rewarded me by letting me run with them through the jungle. Scariest thing I ever did. Sheer cliff drop offs, snakes, monkeys, heat. Their words said thank you. Their eyes said something else.

I kept bring up things like, is that safe? Hmm, looks like a long way down. Are we heading back soon?
I was in a patriot missile unit for a while. Least PT I ever did. Hated that unit. Unit I had been in prior to that for 3 years was a chemical unit run by a captain who REALLY wanted to be infantry. 2 hours of PT 5X a week. weekly 10 mile runs in addition to the regular daily 5 mile runs, Road marches, extensive weapons training, 25 mile hikes, rappelling, infantry tactic training, frequent MILES gear training etc. Got a reunion coming up for those guys in Nashville in a few weeks . Hard working and hard drinking. I dont even remember the name of the patriot union.
 
Yeah sure. It would have to be a near extinction level event for the Army to pull everyone out of their MOS's to throw them into the infantry and if thats the case he's right where he needs to be.

I got one PM from some whack job railing on me on how Biden wants to destroy America and how dare I let my son serve under Biden Blah Blah Blah . Hey, are you a communist ? whats up with that tattoo? Go take your meds bud.
Everyone being laterally pressed into the infantry is not what I'm saying. My point is, there won't be anywhere that's "safe", we're at the threshold of a new generation of warfare. It isn't a "Cold War" world anymore, and although it too had its "asymmetrical" aspects, it's going to pale in comparison to what's coming.
 
Everyone being laterally pressed into the infantry is not what I'm saying. My point is, there won't be anywhere that's "safe", we're at the threshold of a new generation of warfare. It isn't a "Cold War" world anymore, and although it too had its "asymmetrical" aspects, it's going to pale in comparison to what's coming.
Meh. The Russian candidate gets elected he'll drop Ukraine like a hot potato. If Biden wins its over in a couple of years nonetheless when Ukraine capitulates. The Israelis will mop it up within a few months and we will never solve the southern border crisis . Too much money in bringing in cheap labor. The sky has been falling since the beginning of time. The same nothing keeps happening.
 
The sky has been falling since the beginning of time. The same nothing keeps happening.
Except it costs a lot more now.

Thanks to the service, doesn't matter which tax funded branch, I did see things that no news broadcast or speech can shake. Nowhere else can a low E-1 see the excess waste of money.
 

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