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WAY too much good stuff in those pictures...

I feel like those should be illegal somehow...
Earnest Hemingway had very good taste in guns!

Bump firing in 9mm would probably work for carp but it would have to be really shallow. During spawning season in the spring/early summer if you go to any of the streams (drains) going into the lower Yakima river they are piled on top of each other. Fe A 6x10 area may have 20-30 huge carp. They are in a foot or two of water. Sunnyside and downriver is best. Never tried 5.56 but that woudl probably work good in the shallows.
 
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Shooting at such an angle, its quite possible all those shots never entered the water, instead ricocheting off and endangering people, critters, and trees across the river. Was this person shooting at anything? Looks like he just shooting at the water.

At such a shallow angle the difference between where the fish appears to be and were it is is huge. To hit anything you need a much steeper angle. And the fish still needs to be within about a foot of the surface, even assuming a seriously big fish. Ideal is to be on a higher bank or low bridge shooting at not more than about 30 degrees off of straight down. And the water still needs to be not more than about a foot deep, so fish will be forced to swim fairly close to the surface .

If you want to recover the fish, you need to be shooting for the neck, not the head. If you hit the head the fish may jerk for an instant, but then zips away to die elsewere. If you want to recover the fish, you are wearing waders, the water is no more than a foot deep, and you shoot something with penetrating rather than expanding bullets. You aim for the neck in order to hit or shock the fish's air bladder . The fish will go out of control and float upside down with its underside in the air or very close to the surface. Then you put a second shot in the neck. Then jump in water and grab fish firmly around narrow part of tail.

I learned how to correct for the deflection of the light going into water, by wading around and setting my hiking staff's tip down on the bottom in water at various depths and seeing the difference between where the tip appeared to be and where I knew it was given that the staff was straight.

I considered all that as surf survival skills. But in a real shtf, I would more likely build a fish trap or set a trot line rather than broadcast my presence by shooting a gun.
 
Shooting at such an angle, its quite possible all those shots never entered the water, instead ricocheting off and endangering people, critters, and trees across the river. Was this person shooting at anything? Looks like he just shooting at the water.

At such a shallow angle the difference between where the fish appears to be and were it is is huge. To hit anything you need a much steeper angle. And the fish still needs to be within about a foot of the surface, even assuming a seriously big fish. Ideal is to be on a higher bank or low bridge shooting at not more than about 30 degrees off of straight down. And the water still needs to be not more than about a foot deep, so fish will be forced to swim fairly close to the surface .

If you want to recover the fish, you need to be shooting for the neck, not the head. If you hit the head the fish may jerk for an instant, but then zips away to die elsewere. If you want to recover the fish, you are wearing waders, the water is no more than a foot deep, and you shoot something with penetrating rather than expanding bullets. You aim for the neck in order to hit or shock the fish's air bladder . The fish will go out of control and float upside down with its underside in the air or very close to the surface. Then you put a second shot in the neck. Then jump in water and grab fish firmly around narrow part of tail.

I learned how to correct for the deflection of the light going into water, by wading around and setting my hiking staff's tip down on the bottom in water at various depths and seeing the difference between where the tip appeared to be and where I knew it was given that the staff was straight.

I considered all that as surf survival skills. But in a real shtf, I would more likely build a fish trap or set a trot line rather than broadcast my presence by shooting a gun.

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If you shoot straight down onto carp (most effective) with .308 pistol, be prepared to get wet! :s0112:
Shooting at such an angle, its quite possible all those shots never entered the water, instead ricocheting off and endangering people, critters, and trees across the river. Was this person shooting at anything? Looks like he just shooting at the water.

At such a shallow angle the difference between where the fish appears to be and were it is is huge. To hit anything you need a much steeper angle. And the fish still needs to be within about a foot of the surface, even assuming a seriously big fish. Ideal is to be on a higher bank or low bridge shooting at not more than about 30 degrees off of straight down. And the water still needs to be not more than about a foot deep, so fish will be forced to swim fairly close to the surface .

If you want to recover the fish, you need to be shooting for the neck, not the head. If you hit the head the fish may jerk for an instant, but then zips away to die elsewere. If you want to recover the fish, you are wearing waders, the water is no more than a foot deep, and you shoot something with penetrating rather than expanding bullets. You aim for the neck in order to hit or shock the fish's air bladder . The fish will go out of control and float upside down with its underside in the air or very close to the surface. Then you put a second shot in the neck. Then jump in water and grab fish firmly around narrow part of tail.

I learned how to correct for the deflection of the light going into water, by wading around and setting my hiking staff's tip down on the bottom in water at various depths and seeing the difference between where the tip appeared to be and where I knew it was given that the staff was straight.

I considered all that as surf survival skills. But in a real shtf, I would more likely build a fish trap or set a trot line rather than broadcast my presence by shooting a gun.
Pretty sure @ilikegunspdx post was meant to be in jest...

ETA - I'll bet dollars to pesos all those rounds stayed in the water
 
I always wondered why someone doesn't turn them into cat or dog food. There's like an endless supply of them on the east side.

I always wondered why someone doesn't turn them into cat or dog food. There's like an endless supply of them on the east side.
It would make sense people need protein and could be a solution and being an evasive species it would be a win win . I saw a article that they netted tons of them and just buried them in a hole ! Instead of killing something and wasting it why not put it to use ?
 
It would make sense people need protein and could be a solution and being an evasive species it would be a win win . I saw an article that they netted tons of them and just buried them in a hole ! Instead of killing something and wasting it why not put it to use ?
Maybe dogs and cats are too smart to eat that crap? (J/k). It does seem like a waste.
 

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