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The M5 takes you right back to M14 and the FAL in terms of weight and power. It will suck just as bad in jungles just like they did if the war theater breaks out there or in urban areas. Seems strange that now that we are moving away from open deserts they are just now going to something better suited to that.

The heavier recoil will cause a need for a LOT more training/practice from the troops, especially full auto.

Would I take an M5 w/optic personally? Hell yeah, but it suits my environment. It isn't lost on me that my short frame AR308 weighs only slightly more than an M4 and with the exception of the magic scope is almost as capable and a LOT cheaper to shoot. I predict in the end they will still be looking for an M4 replacement in 20 years,

IMO they will need a mix and the M5 will be great for snipers and SPR/DMR applications. Put that nifty optic on something smaller M4 sized platform with a 6.5 or 6.8mm cartridge for CQB/Urban/Jungle. Ever see an MCX recoil system fail? It's amazing and not something that can be easily fixed in the field. Time and usage will tell.

Nice discussion here on the MAC Channel.
 
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They've got to reinvent the wheel every so many years. It's just the way the Pentagon management seems to think. It's only my opinion, but there doesn't seem to be a reason to ditch the 5.56mm. Yes, buy some specialty weapons to fill out special roles. Which they've already been doing for many years. The idea of a universal, "perfect" weapon that suits 100% of applications is a unicorn that consistently fascinates generals and defense managers. But doesn't exist.

Training is a big point to consider. The 5.56 ammunition seems to be easier for co-ed and citified trainee populations to master. So go with what works, that is, what contemporary trainees are apt to do better with. As many police departments have abandoned .40 S&W (once thought to be the "perfect" police cartridge) for 9mm, which is more shootable for a larger share of users.

The M5 is starting to look at lot more like the original assault rifle, the German MP.44 / Stg.44.

Seems strange that now that we are moving away from open deserts they are just now going to something better suited to that.
This underscores the idea that generals are always fighting the last war.
 

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At suddenly just like that all us tacticool mall ninjas became old timers, but at least people wont be asking if they can fire their 6.8 in a 277 Fury chamber...


Im not seeing any reason to upgrade. I do find it interesting they went with a heavier rifle and cartridge. The 3 piece cartridge case looks expensive to make.
 

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My M4 clone just became a relic, FUN YEAH!

I'd totally take the new rifle if it was similar in cost to maintain and operate, why not!
 

Koda

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What is the point of all this ? 1652244095739.png
 

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