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Wolf Ammo / Quality ?? Suggestions

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Teamowner, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. Teamowner

    Teamowner Vancouver, Wa. Member

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    I've been looking at a website which sells large quantities of Wolf ammo at a decent price with paid shipping. Iam not looking for competitive target shooting or whatever just ammo to be used for whatever may come. Can anyone interested give me their opinions on wolf ammo quality or should I be looking for something else???:huh: thanks,
     
  2. sweetbeard

    sweetbeard Beavertown OreGUN! New Member

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    what are you shooting it out of??

    AK wolf is king.
     
  3. Teamowner

    Teamowner Vancouver, Wa. Member

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    Well Iam new to the rifle thing so it will be an ar 15 of some sort it's more of an Obama, investment, stockpile sort of thing you know??
     
  4. RangerEric

    RangerEric Southern Oregon, United States Active Member

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    Never had the slightest hiccup with Wolf 7.62x39. Cheapest stuff around..!
     
  5. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    wolf works alright for plinking. Its dirty stuff, but it gets the job done for the lowest price.
     
  6. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    OFADAN Brownsville, OR Well-Known Member

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    The ammo is perfectly fine in guns designed for it....vis a' vis non-NATO or Non-SAAMI spec'd rifles/handguns such as the AK/SKS/Makarov et al.

    The problem with using Wolf or any steel cased ammo is multi-fold...namely most firearms today are made to SAAMI or NATO specs which are built to exacting standards using extremely sophisticated production methodology, very high tolerances, high quality parts with specified materials. Generally we Americans want "match this-and-that" parts, chambers, barrels, extractors, etc. Our tolerances are so tight and we have built the guns for firing match or at least high quality ammo using brass cases. This is how the guns are engineered and built...well most at least.

    Wolf and any other non-SAAMI or NATO spec'd ammo is exactly the opposite of our standards...they have some standards, obviously, but they are considerably less exact than us, with less quality control and acceptace of sub-standard materals. They don't care about precision production methodology, consistant materials, quality control or any of that. There is a reason this product is cheap.

    On top of this our SAAMI/NATO spec'd firearms are not designed to operate with steel cased ammo and thus we see lots of extractor problems (as in broken) and Wolf ammo ejects from the gun irratically. Brass is more forgiving and flexible while steel isn't.The steel cases are just hard on all working parts...any place the case comes into contact with. The propellant burns poorly causing excessive fouling. For plinking one might not start to notice problems but if one is training hard then eventually this ammo can potentially start to cause issues. The old lacquer cases are the worst but I think Wolf has moved on from those.

    I can tell I do not know of any manufacturer of SAAMI or NATO spec'd guns who will warranty their guns if it has been shot with Wolf and they CAN TELL if steel ammo has been used.

    FWIW I've validated what I'm sharing with you with the engineers and product support staff at DPMS, GLOCK, Bushmaster, and Les Baer. I wanted to back up my understanding with credible sources and since I have a working relationship with these folks I asked.


    Anyway, I'm like Fox News: I report, you decide! :thumbup:
     
  8. Teamowner

    Teamowner Vancouver, Wa. Member

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    Thanks a lot everyone. WOW sun195 that was some in depth reading and some great info. I appreciate everyones in put.
     
  9. finch6013

    finch6013 Oregon City Active Member

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    I wouldn't buy anything else. I have had about 3k rounds of it through my ak with one ftf
     
  10. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    The Sportsman's Guide had it for $275 per 1000 delivered.
     
  11. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I had no problem feeding my AK with Wolf ammo. My latest AR will be shot using nothing but decent brass-cased stuff.
     
  12. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    Kinda what i am thinking... re: the AR. That being said, it probably makes sense to only get decent brass cased, RELOADABLE .223 rounds for the AR and then save the brass (even if you don't currently reload). There may come a time when you might HAVE to start reloading the stuff and it'd be better to have all the brass on hand than to just leave it sitting in the gravel at some rock pit somewhere. :twocents:

    The Wolf stuff works great though for the AK/SKS platform. :thumbup:
     
  13. Hotwheelz

    Hotwheelz Pierce County Member

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    I have never had a problem in a sks or ak but I did get some .45acp and started having extraction problems it may be like "OFADA" said but my conclusion was the laqueur they put on the cases gets very sticky when it gets warm or hot and was sticking in the chamber b/c of build up not fun to clean either. I pulled my extractor out gave it a little tweak to give it some more bite problem solved but that was the first and last batch of it a I ever bought for .45 acp Now I roll my own....
     
  14. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Just used it in my 1911 .45 and my Colt did not like it, FTF's after a hundred rounds or so, too dirty I guess.
    For the 5.56 that Federal XM193 in the brown boxes that's going around is some great ammo if you don't mind a bit more price.

    I am a pretty lousy shot and get 3/4" groups at 100 yards with it out of the 16" carbine...
     
  15. A2theK

    A2theK Olympia Member

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    ZeroRing is absolutely right. That is exactly what I am doing right now. remember bullets store nicely too!!!
     
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    the lacquer coating may build up in a tight chamber i have a nef 223 that the laquer welds to and the case will not extract after firing. steel cases also cause problems because the steel will give you higher chamber pressures when fired.
     
  17. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    So does anyone know of a cheap brass 223 rounds that gets sold by the thousands of rounds?
     
  18. dolooper

    dolooper Coast Range, or thereabouts Well-Known Member

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    What do you consider decent? For inexpensive (relatively) I've heard middling comments on UMC and better on American Eagle. Each gun prefers its own diet, but I've a 223 I need to take out some time. I'll want to test out ammo I can be reasonably accurate with (for me) for both plinking and stocking up purposes.

    The gun doesn't have the greatest rep for accuracy, but has a pretty good rep for being able to eat a varied diet.
     
  19. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I probably wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything brass-cased out of it, so long as I didn't hear anything negative about the brand. UMC and American Eagle should both be fine ;)
     
  20. dolooper

    dolooper Coast Range, or thereabouts Well-Known Member

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    Kind of what I figure. So, who's organizing a group buy of brass 223? :)

    I've been poking around on the intertubez, but haven't seen any bulk deals that turned my head.