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With just a barrel change.......

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Capn Jack, Jan 25, 2016.

  1. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I know there are numerous wildcat and commercial cartridges available for
    the AR15, but which ones require a barrel change only?

    I know there is the 7.62x39,but it requires special magazines.
    The .458 SoCom requires ejection port modifications.
    What is there out there that just requires a barrel change other than the
    .300 Blackout?:rolleyes:
     
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  2. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    25-45 sharps
     
  3. B5Ben

    B5Ben Boise Well-Known Member

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    I think the 204 Ruger is a barrel change only. The 7.62x39 also requires a different bolt.
     
  4. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Thanks, I was thinking there were several based on the 5.56 case.:)

    I've got a friend in Oregon who wants to change his 5.56 in to something
    he can hunt elk with. I'll give him the list and let him go from there.;)
     
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  5. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    For ELK? Just ensure your buddies choice has enough energy at the distances he'll harvest such that he can make an ethical kill.
     
  6. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    he might want to go ahead and buy a bolt with that barrel and do a Grendel ,a couple 5 round mags .....money isn't that much more and if he is willing to swap barrels then what's a bolt

    let him rock the SOCOM, that would do it
     
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  7. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Or......buy a danged Elk rifle!:cool:
     
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  8. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    For Elk you have to have a .24 caliber rifle or larger in Oregon. The 25-45 Sharps would meet that qualification. It has commercially loaded ammo made by Federal available, which gives it an edge over all of the others that are strictly wildcats.

    One would need to limit himself to shots of 200 yards or less, though, in my opinion. You would really want to have good shot placement too.

    http://store.srcarms.com/Default.asp






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  9. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    For the same price or less you can get a very good used bolt action "hunting" rifle in .308 or 30-06, sometimes even with glass on them and a box or 2 of ammo.

    THEN go take that sucker hunting and don't sweat all the little dings and scratches that come with hunting in the woods.


    Seriously, I've never heard of someone needing a simi-auto for hunting deer or elk.

    Sorry for the tone of the post but I was flabbergasted when I read the reason for the curiosity in comparable calibers.

    Just my two cents for what it's worth.
     
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  10. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I'm not a super experienced hunter but from what I've seen, the 25-45 is more of a deer round then elk - unless your counting on being very close and have excellent shot placement.

    I am a fan of the round though and have an interest in a barrel in that caliber someday. I would not have initially posted my support for it if I knew it was for elk.
     
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  11. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Thanks, I appreciate all of the input.:)
    I think he was asking because when he found he couldn't hunt with the 5.56 he felt he needed to do something with it.:confused:
    I wonder how many other people rushed out to buy AR's and ended up feeling that way?:rolleyes:
    Oh well, I gave him the information he asked for. It's up to him now.;)
     
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  12. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Re: .25/45 Sharps :cool:
    I've watched the videos and I'm impressed. But then I'm a "Do It Yourself Junky", who enjoys reloading and casting for my rifles almost as much as shooting them. I think I would be more interested if it were .30/45, or .35/45. .25 seems like an odd caliber to me.o_O
     
  13. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    its a good point however your really only need a couple things in life, the rest is choice and luxury.
    If a guy wants to hunt with a semi then who is to say anything about it because it works.......the projo doesn't care what kind of mag, action and or barrel it flies from because once airborne they are all 308 or 223 or whatever
    I have never even emptied a bolt gun mag hunting and many many days I just packed a Ruger #1......one shot .....but I certainly wouldn't scoff at anyone who wants to pack an AR10 or whatever
    many ways to skin a cat
     
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  14. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Touché.

    I hadn't meant to imply taking an ar15 in an adequate (Not 25-45) caliber for elk is a problem or "less" then a bolt gun.

    I was just a bit taken off guard that the conversation went from what is compatable with a 5.56 barrel on an ar15 lower to - shooting elk is the goal.

    I was just tossing out that a dedicated hunting rifle might be cheaper and in the long run better in a lot of ways. Easier to clean, more reliable (don't bash that part - there is a bolt a barrel and a sight of some kind), any damage taken is too a cheap and rarely used gun, less parts to fail in the field Etc.

    Wasn't trying to tell anyone how to do anything. At least that wasn't the intention.
     
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    tits, you forgot 6.5 TCU and .25 TCU. :)

    For elk, seriously? Buy yourself a .308 bolt gun. Everybody should have one anyway. Or .338WM if you can handle it. Or AR-10. Even going after deer with an AR-15 is marginal; elk - no need for such tricks. Save your trick shooting for targets that aren't alive. Or use your AR-15 on prairie dogs...
     
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  16. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Oi!:eek:


    I only said "need", I read a lot of hunting forums and haven't come across one (doesn't mean there isn't one because I'm sure someone out there somewhere once said it) that said that they missed out on thier elk because they were not equipped with a simi-automatic modern sporting rifle.


    Y'all can hunt elk with an AR if you want it's dealers choice as you said, my personal advice to people however would still be to buy a dedicated gun and dial it in, not buy a separate upper for an AR15 lower they currently own. I also stated my reasons for saying so, but you seem focused on the false pretense that I am against hunting with simi-autos.o_O Although, I obviously think Bolt guns are superior.

    And when did a reason for a new gun become a bad idea:rolleyes:
     
  17. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Apologies for the misread then:oops:
     
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    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    i saw a list somewhere that did and thought it was wikipedia but cant find it now. I think it was a link somewhere on ar15.com forum.... not at my home computer though to try and find it again...
     
  20. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, for one thing, a .35 would not even be feasible on the .223's case, which is why no one has even attempted to make such a wildcat. And there already is a .30/45. It is called the .300 Blackout.

    The problem with going with a large caliber on the .223 case is that you end up shooting pretty slow bullets, which also tend to not be that flat shooting. The .223 case just does not have the capacity to get decent velocity out of the heavier calibers. .25 caliber is basically as large as you can go, if you want to maintain muzzle velocity near 3,000 fps.

    Here is a photo that shows the .300 Blackout on the left. Just look at how oversized the bullet is, compared to the case. And look at how dramatically the case capacity for powder is reduced.

    300_BLK_with_caption.jpg


    Compare the above to the 25-45 Sharps:

    25-45-Sharps-ammo-compare.jpg



    Is your friend planning to hunt Elk in Western Oregon, or in Eastern Oregon? Ranges for shots in Eastern Oregon typically tend to typically be much longer, due to the much more open terrain.

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    300_BLK_with_caption.jpg

    25-45-Sharps-ammo-compare.jpg
     
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