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Winchester Factory White Box - No More!

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by skydiver, Nov 25, 2012.

  1. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    I will not buy anymore Winchester Factory White Box .45 ACP!
    I bought 500 rounds on a good sale several years ago. It shoots fine without any FTF.
    However, it's the dirtiest ammo I've ever shot!
    Only fired 30 rounds for fun after sighting in another pistol.
    Cleaned my 1911 tonight and the patches looked like it had fired 300 rounds, not 30.
    I suspect they use Win 231 powder, but not certain.
    Whatever it is, I don't like it...but my Hoppe's #9 does.
     
  2. 4NONISSUE

    4NONISSUE south sound Member

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    Gotta Love the smell of Hoppe's #9 always brings back fond memories of cleaning guns after an outing with the Old Man!
     
  3. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    I won't buy Winchester ammo anymore at least their consumer marketed stuff, because their quality control has gone to complete crap over the last 3 years. Every box I have gotten I had to toss 3-5 rounds due to improper bullet seating or case dinged so bad they cracked.

    Their LE stuff at least seems to have better quality control.
     
  4. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    Going to start reloading .45 ACP sometime.
    Any powder recommendations?
     
  5. safooma

    safooma Oregon Member

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    I used titegroup in my .45 loads, but it is pretty dirty.
     
  6. mookmanjdj

    mookmanjdj Oregon Coast Member

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    I use Win 231, doesn't seem dirty to me.
     
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  7. WAYNO

    WAYNO Oregon City Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Wanna sell the other 470 rounds?:)
     
  8. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    W231! LOL I've never thought it was dirty? Unique seemed real dirty to me.

    A guy at the range one day had a box-o-white that had three rounds that were seated WAY deep.

    i don't buy factory ammo anymore..........Thanks to you and several others on NWFAs!

    Are you still in town? If so what happened, couldn't get ride of the sectional so you decided to stay?

    Hope all is well with you.

    Mike
     
  9. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    The .45ACP is fairly low pressure for a lot of powders out there, especially pushing light loads. In general, I've had the best luck with clays. I used to use green dot... was pretty dirty, same thing with hi-skor 700x. W231 and Titegroup perform better, but both of these are ball powders and tend to be dirty no matter what. Unique also doesn't perform too well as it's a magnum revolver powder. Stick with the faster burning flake powders, and you won't have any issues.
     
  10. MarkAd

    MarkAd Port Orchard Well-Known Member

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    I have used Clays and HP-38 the HP-38 is the same as 231.
    I find the HP-38 to be a little dirty but the clean up is easy I do a complete clean in 15 minutes. Wiith Clays I could twice as long.
    The HP-38 meters very well.
     
  11. 4NONISSUE

    4NONISSUE south sound Member

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    Thinking it over I would rather shoot dirtier ammo made in the USA verse the junk sh%$ that gets imported! Besides Hoppe's is made in USA!
     
  12. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

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    Just remember folks, ALL powders are "dirty". The individual granules are coated with graphite which serves as a burn rate modifier, lubricant to keep granules from sticking together, and as an "anti-static" agent to prevent unwanted incidents due to static discharges while handling.

    Much of this graphite ends up in the barrel as it doesn't burn.
     
  13. koden

    koden Milwaukie, OR Member

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    Cleanest powder I ever used in my 45's is VV N310. The loads are on the lighter side due to the speed of the powder but very accurate and VERY clean.
     
  14. trixter

    trixter Giles County Member

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    If you use cast boolits, try Bullseye or Unique. Absolutely wonderful stuff to use.