Why the apathy?

[3MTA3]

Vote now or later your choices boil down to shooting or accepting the rule of tyrants.

 

[IronMonster]

"This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end – which you can never afford to lose – with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be."

-Simon Black

 

[Caveman Jim]

the American patriots (citizens) are way out gunned. Typical city police departments are armed like military units nowadays. We live in a police state plain and simple. So you want to do the Mel Gibson Patriot thing... the modern day horsemen will be in helicopters and armored SWAT vehicles.

We are going to be the ones who will bring down that helo & disable that swat vehicle & take em out one by one. I'll not be afraid of the odds against TYRANNY!!!!

 

[Flopsweat]

You sure can. And yes, I will be just and noble. I didn't "take the attitude that I shouldn't have to vote". You in fact took the attitude that you do have to vote for your rights. Mine are protected by birthright and I won't give in to illegal BS because everybody else set their spine aside. "practical necessity" may find you in a place where you must fall in line to gang rape someone. You may need to join in to keep the other rapists from killing you, whether you find it reprehensible or not. Once you have committed the act, whether out of "practical necessity" or not, you're a rapist.

By all means, take what you will from my comment. I made it clear that this is my point of view(as I do in most all my posts) and that no one else is required to stand for nobility, taste and decency. I, however am her Avenging Sword. When you "vote" in the guys that finally put you in a camp or an incinerator, you will find me out here living life as an American was meant to, unencumbered by Socialist ideals.

When freedom and independence gets you replies like these, it makes you wonder why this "apathy" is only viewed from one side. The men that created this great nation did not do so by attempting to meet Imperialism on it's own terms. They did so by cutting away the false to reveal the truth. They knew that freedom and liberty could never coexist with shackles. You are free or you are not. These days, we make a lot of these choices ourselves even if we pretend to be under the thumb of something else.

By the way, if the OP only wanted those that agree to chime in, why pose the statement as a question? It should also be noted that by admitting that his/her rights are voted upon and then infringed, he/she has already given their rights up and that is the only way they can be forfeited. Your life can be taken, but only you can give away your rights. Mine are still here with me and will be when I die. Period. People called that view dangerous in 1776 and that view created the greatest nation the world has ever known. Going away from those views have created what we now have, a place where you ask nicely for your "rights" and only take what you are given. My rights are not someone else's to give me, so no, my rights therefore will not be voted or infringed upon.

Well I'm flattered that you'd take the time to type out all of that for me. I'm a little disappointed with the rape reference. I'm not sure that you understand what I mean by practical necessity, since in the situation that I think you're describing, I'd find it necessary to resist in any way that I could.

Meantime, back here in the real world, if this bill passes things are going to get a lot worse for the law-abiding. Some will be happy that it brings our society closer to a violent breakdown, but not me. As long as I still feel it's possible to reverse the current political trend and move back toward liberty by voting, that's what I 'll do. It may be romantic to dream of insurrection, but it's a bubblegum to live through.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

"Meantime, back here in the real world"

 

[not nipsy]

OK, well, so while some of you are patting yourselves on the back for not participating on principle, could you at least be bothered to vote yes on I-591? Think of it as being more about State's Rights, not just the second amendment, and it should be an easier pill to swallow. If both pass, it will force the judicial branch to decide immediately whether 594 is illegal, not to mention providing us a little more protection in the future from other boneheaded laws that can't pass the 'more restrictive' test.

 

[Martini_Up]

The pot stuff in the last election killed our state. Our rights are not something we vote on.

This.

If it was a right, how can it even be voted on? Voting implies it can be taken away.

What's the difference between RIGHTS and PRIVILEGES again?

 

[Caveman Jim]

Those who choose to NOT vote out of principle need only to sew their mouths shut because you have no right to complain!!!

 

[mrblond]

Those who choose to NOT vote out of principle need only to sew their mouths shut because you have no right to complain!!!

Here here!

 

[Netspirit]

We all voted NO.

594 will pass anyway, but voting still makes sense. If we can at keep it as close as possible, it will send a message and force our opponents to pour more $$ into subsequent gun-grabbing campaigns despite diminishing returns.

 

[WilliamIV]

We all voted NO.

594 will pass anyway, but voting still makes sense. If we can at keep it as close as possible, it will send a message and force our opponents to pour more $$ into subsequent gun-grabbing campaigns despite diminishing returns.

Got everyone in my household to vote NO on 594 as well. I feel as if this ridiculous bill will pass though because the liberals in the Seattle area.

 

[Flopsweat]

Got everyone in my household to vote NO on 594 as well. I feel as if this ridiculous bill will pass though because the liberals in the Seattle area.

We're more motivated. If enough of us vote we can beat this thing.

 

[WilliamIV]

We're more motivated. If enough of us vote we can beat this thing.

I sure hope so. The thing that bugs me is the all the liberals that want big money out of politics, but yet it's completely okay for these billionaires to spend millions to push this bill they want to pass. They're so hypocritical.

 

[revjen45]

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I don't vote because I think it will overcome the wealth and power of the plutocrats or displace the shadow government.
I vote because
1) Those who don't have no right to complain.
2) Heroes died so I could, and I won't waste their sacrifice.
3) The value of my vote is one over infinity, but it's MY infinitescimal.
4) When the time comes to bust caps I can do it in good conscience.
5) Better to die with a hot barrel and an empty magazine than overwhelmed at the bottom of the pyramid of dead as the fumes rise from the floor, or after extensive abuse by the minions of leviathan.

Better to perish in the fight for freedom than live to see defeat.

 

[rick benjamin]

Ditto

 

[BoonDocks36]

Got everyone in my household to vote NO on 594 as well. I feel as if this ridiculous bill will pass though because the liberals in the Seattle area.

Hey, I'm from Oregon, and I have Voted no on it Three Times already. But it is getting harder to find Obituaries to borrow Names from...

(Ducking and Running Low Crawl, for suggesting to vote the DemonCratic Way...)

philip

 

[Caveman Jim]

We're more motivated. If enough of us vote we can beat this thing.

if enough of us gets 2 or 3 friends who were going to vote yes turned around with facts then we would win.
Get the word out!!!

 

[WilliamIV]

if enough of us gets 2 or 3 friends who were going to vote yes turned around with facts then we would win.
Get the word out!!!

It's sure hard to change their mind though. The ones voting for this are really lady convinced this while be the stop to all crime. They're just to far gone from being brainwashed. Or they're just that anti gun and think this well get rid of firearms all together.

 

[The B]

I think perhaps the standard for initiative should be higher. People are emotionally volatile, and stupid as a group, which is why we use a republican form of government. Democracy is an untrustworthy dog.

Initiative is a great tool, but the standard should be 2/3rds, not simple majority.