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Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by zeezee, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    When thinking about the mass extermination camps of a holocaust think…

    The key to freedom is to be able to have the ability to defend yourself, and if you dont have the tools to do that, then youre going to be at the mercy of whomever wants to put you away.

    Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture – but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.

    The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.

    This is in a very large part due to Switzerland’s unique system of national defence, developed over the centuries.

    Instead of a standing, full-time army, the country requires every man to undergo some form of military training for a few days or weeks a year throughout most of their lives.

    Between the ages of 21 and 32 men serve as frontline troops. They are given an M-57 assault rifle and 24 rounds of ammunition which they are required to keep at home.

    Once discharged, men serve in the Swiss equivalent of the US National Guard, but still have to train occasionally and are given bolt rifles. Women do not have to own firearms, but are encouraged to.

    “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”


    Not sure how long 57 rounds would last me but I'd sure in heck get a chance to put a few zombies down. And as far as women not having to own firearms, I say get out of their way because most women will be right in the mix of things fighting right alongside.
     
  2. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    If I recall after their service they are allowed to buy their rifle from the military for a very very low price. I think it gets converted from select fire to semi-auto though but a cheap Sig 550, not a bad deal at all...
     
  3. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    I think the US would benefit greatly from a system like switzerland. Where males are required to National Guard service, the stipulation being they cannot be deployed unless they volunteer to. To avoid this being an actual draft.

    Government issues them a rifle for when they live at home, which would remain government property. Meaning the government has the right to inspect this rifle at any time (but not personally owned weapons.)

    Think about what this would do for the US. A pool of disciplined young men and women (equality), who are trained to defend the country at a the issue of an order. The Japanese feared fighting civilian forces.

    It would be good for the country in my opinion.


    I should also add that: They are no longer required to keep ammunition and are not issued it. This was removed after too many stupid accidents. And many personally owned weapons are now banned. Not sure what the banned weapons effects. I was told this by a swiss male himself. But they still are issued their rifles, and ammunition can be purchased after a background check.
     
  4. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    More of the article, very interesting, but I'm assuming this will never make it to a congressional debate.


    In addition to the government-provided arms, there are few restrictions on buying weapons. Some cantons restrict the carrying of firearms - others do not.

    The government even sells off surplus weaponry to the general public when new equipment is introduced.

    Guns and shooting are popular national pastimes. More than 200,000 Swiss attend national annual marksmanship competitions.

    But despite the wide ownership and availability of guns, violent crime is extremely rare. There are only minimal controls at public buildings and politicians rarely have police protection.

    Mark Eisenecker, a sociologist from the University of Zurich told BBC News Online that guns are "anchored" in Swiss society and that gun control is simply not an issue.

    Some pro-gun groups argue that Switzerland proves their contention that there is not necessarily a link between the availability of guns and violent crime in society.
     
  5. glockguy

    glockguy Albany Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Good luck getting that idea pass Osama.. i mean Obama
     
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  6. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    But it isn't just getting it past him and his administration, it's about how our government, including our own military think. Like why a member of our own military cannot have a firearm on base that is not registered & locked up in the arms room? Had one or two of those soldiers who died at Ft. Hood been armed . . . I sincerely doubt that muslim major would have killed or wounded as many. And the media with their constant us of the term"assault rifle", when all firearms can be used as defense and assault. To the native american indians the blunderbuss Columbus had was an assault rifle.
     
  7. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    It also says they are one of the richest countries in the world. Not being plagued by drugs, and ghettos would make them immune from such diseases that continually keep our country from being free from itself.
    We would need to completly change our country from the ground up, illegal aliens, drugs, gangs, schools, being fixed on material goods.
    This could never work in a country built on diversity. We as a country were founded on one religion, one country, one ideal of what America should be, but that's not what this country became. We became the country of opportunity, where you could go and be free, make money, and express whatever views you wanted.
    Now were so intermixed values became lost, no morals, no values, no religion.
    I myself do not have a religious belief. We are now too concerned with being PC and being the country to save the world that weve lost what made us that country. Now we can't even abide by our own constitution! We have people making laws and judgements on what their take is on the constitution..
     
  8. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    I don't follow your logic. Religion, and background should be irrelevant. What should only be relevant is their belief in the way of life in America. Which should be founded on Freedom. All else will follow.

    Start creating a disciplined group of young men and women as they leave high school, and things will begin to improve. Not over night, but if people are shown a way, and shown how to work hard, then more people might pursue college or a trade rather than falling to low life activities like theft, dealing drugs, prostitution, ect.

    It's not broken, we're all Americans here. And if they are fit to serve, and don't want to then they can be given a plane ticket to the country of their choice with expedited papers relieving them of their citizenship.
     
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  9. PMKN_PI

    PMKN_PI Milwaukie, Oregon, United States Active Member

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    Not necessarily, if they are loyal to Obama and his commie czars. You really want him to have his dream of a 'National Civillian Security Force' to come true? Then the left's wet dream of a socialist goon squad comes true and they come knocking at your door, to make sure your house is green, your thermostat is set at the government approved setting, and confiscate all firearms within your house(or try, as I would just open fire to any force that is breaking the constitution). Careful what you wish for. The government rarely gets anything right. I dont think they would get that right either, at least with the current corrupt vermin in power.
     
  10. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    I don't follow your logic. Religion, and background should be irrelevant. What should only be relevant is their belief in the way of life in America. Which should be founded on Freedom. All else will follow.

    Start creating a disciplined group of young men and women as they leave high school, and things will begin to improve. Not over night, but if people are shown a way, and shown how to work hard, then more people might pursue college or a trade rather than falling to low life activities like theft, dealing drugs, prostitution, ect.

    It's not broken, we're all Americans here. And if they are fit to serve, and don't want to then they can be given a plane ticket to the country of their choice with expedited papers relieving them of their citizenship.


    Religion and background are not irrelevant, read the Constitution, and why would our money say In God We Trust if religion wasn't relevant? And I believe our society is broken, our judicial system, our voting system, our immigration system, our education system and on and on! And as far as when our new citizens leave high school, LOL! Most are illiterate and so full of hate against society that they scare me. And when grade schoolers are indoctrinated with chants of "barrack hussein obama, mmmm, mmm, mmmm." I posted The 10 planks of the communist manifesto, read that and see if you still believe the same.
     
  11. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    The dollar bill was designed by the Federal Reserve, not the government. And it was probably designed to fit the popular opinion at the time. Who knows what it would say if it were to be completely re-designed today.

    I think you are are over generalizing in the most literal sense of the way. One youtube video gets posted and suddenly schools are indoctinating to follow Obama amirite?

    Can't believe everything you see on the internet. Well, you can't, but you shouldn't.

    If society is broken, fix it. And this would be a step in the right direction.

    I still uphold that the only thing that should matter is loyalty to the nation, we all have our different thoughts, beliefs, and opinions. This can be easily observed in the current armed forces. Nothing new.

    His dream of a national security civllian force? I can't comment on it. Nobody has elaborated on it, and any talk about it is pure speculation. Leave undeducated speculation at the door please.

    Any national force should be loyal only to the constitution, and anyone who is an enemy of the constitution should be their enemy.

    Obama could just as easily use the current military against the citizenry, what's your point?

    I want a force loyal to the citizens and not the federal government. Who would be a check and balance against an uprising dictator. Obama would likely not be an issue, since I doubt that such a force, which hasn't even been talked about would suddenly pop up and be established before the end of Obama's term or terms if he won the 2012 election.
     
  12. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    A force sworn to defend the constitution? Hmmm, isn't that what we have? But your right, our military today seems to want to follow the commander and chief and not the constitution.
     
  13. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Regarding the OP and the Swiss. Yes, the Swiss were well armed, and
    the terrain was to their advantage. Now there are factions in Switzerland
    promoting gun control. How soon they forget. How soon the Brit's forgot-
    without lend-lease and America's support with small arms, they would be
    speaking German now.

    Google up a map uf the territory/countries that Germany rolled over in
    Europe before the tide turned. That little white spot in the middle--
    the one surrounded by Italy/France etc??? That's Switzerland. Even
    Hitler/Mussolini wouldn't screw with it.

    Can't happen again? It's a kinder, gentler world? Want to bet your life?
     
  14. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I would like to live in Switzerland. It's a beautiful country and a good half the people are nationalistic and actually take pride in their culture, unlike the self-hating liberal Europeans in other countries. Actually, I was proud about the news of the Swiss banning the minarets that would dominate their skyline.

    However, crime is increasing in Switzerland. First of all, conceal carry in Switzerland is forbidden in most places. Second, many of elements in the Swiss government are very liberal and have been working wholeheartedly to ban guns from civilians altogether. Their main argument is that guns cause suicide, since the majority of suicides in Switzerland are commited with guns. What the idiotic liberal Swiss government failed to see is that Switzerland's suicide rate is no higher than any other Western European country. France actually I think has higher suicide rate, but suicide is commited by other means. Socialist government agencies will do all they can do weaken the people, using any excuse possible.

    I pray that the Swiss don't lose their culture and won't let liberals overrun and destroy their country like they have done and like what they are doing in the USA.

    Crime is increasing because there is a great influx of poorer foreigners coming in from other countries and when you receive a great influx of poor people, well some of them find it more profitable to steal from the rich than to try to struggle their way to the top.

    Still Switzerland is much safer than any country in Europe for the most part, but its changing, thanks to liberal governance.

    I am a great admirer of Swiss culture, the food, the mix of 3 languages, the scenery, the guns. Switzerland is still the cleanest and most organized place int he world.
     
  15. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Thank You,

    We have a nation that is moving towards govt take over, greed, and value-less action.
    We have religions where people believe America is the devil and every American should die. All while enjoying our freedoms. We have kids that learn from grade school to not believe in morals and learn to live without conscience. You cannot take a country that has no morals, no beleif, no compass and make them be good citizens by giving them guns and teaching them to fight.......
    We are **** bent on our own destruction and until we choose to figt back against the govt that holds us down and wants the power of control over us we will not be free. And even then once govt is abolished we will start the war against each other.

    The truth is no matter who you are the immense struggle for power, greed, and material goods will plagued even modern society.

    Only those who die know the end of war.
    We have started a war by not creating a country of our own and it's a war that will get worse until the country is separated. Left and right, dems, and repubs, good and and bad.
    We have ingrained so many cultures, religions, ethnicitys, backgrounds, etc together we will never agree on anything. We can never be one nation under God. Because we have 10 different Gods to choose from.

    At work I can't even tell someone Merry Christmas without having HR called on me.
    Kids can't say the pledge of allegiance because it says God in it.
    We can't be free because we can't live the way we believe without someone calling us a racist, bigot, nazi, facist, etc.
    There is no America. This place you talk about was a great place, But it slowly disappeared thoughout the years.

    And I will forever mourn it.
     
  16. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    I'm not suggesting a new military, but rather making some form of military service required without sending people off to war, and acting as a force that is a check and balance, they way the second ammendment is supposed to guarantee. As great as gun ownership and patriots are, I think a lazy force of civilians would be ill-equipped to defend against an organized powerful military. I dont think all of our forces are loyal to Obama, but there's no denying that a large part would likely follow the orders he gives.
     
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    The history machine appears to be broken so I'll attempt to fix it.

    1. Switzerland is awesome, yes, and armed to the teeth, but not markedly less crime ridden than, say, Japan, where there are virtually no private firearms. The only clear connection between countries with lower crime rates: Switzerland, Japan, Canada, is a relatively equalitarian society.
    2. "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God" were only added to currency and the pledge during the 9050s. Somehow Americans managed to get by for over 150 years with a more secular government.
    3. There were plenty of US religious sects who hated each other back in 1776 as well. You don't have to have a uniform language, religion, etc. to be a decent society. In Switzerland, where I've spent time, they don't even speak the same language. Likewise Canada which is just as diverse as the US and nearly as well armed.
    4. Germany did not spare Switzerland in WWII because of Swiss militias. If the Swiss had oil they would have been trampled flat. They also weren't a threat, so why bother? Switzerland served a useful purpose for both sides in the war and there was simply nothing to be gained beyond that.
     
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    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    There's always a smart guy on here......I'm also happy o be humbled.
    Either way our county is ****** up
     
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    "And when grade schoolers are indoctrinated with chants of "barrack hussein obama, mmmm, mmm, mmmm."

    Look, regardless of what people think of Obama, this one incident doesn't mean all American kids are being indoctrinated. One teacher had kids sing a corny song about the first black president during black history month. One group in one school. Shoot, another group sang a song praising Bush after Katrina. Sure, overtly political stuff does happen in classrooms but it is the exception. And kids will call you on it! The kind of indoctrination that we fear and see as unamerican doesn't look like this. It is a national, standardized thing. Think the Hitler Youth. Just being PC and respecting diversity is not anywhere close to that. While I'd agree that most teachers are liberal, most really do work hard to make kids think for themselves. Yes, there are exceptions, teachers who actively promote a partisan agenda. But the storm of criticism that followed that incident (once cable news got ahold of it) put teachers on notice. Nobody wants to do that type of thing now and get their butt in a sling.

    My bigger issue with that incident is that the teacher used her kids to promote a book, which is unethical. That is what got the video online.

    Just my two cents. Thanks for reading.
     
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