I went to a bar about a year ago, and he was a marine sniper. I asked if he had any confirmed kills and he said veterans don't talk about that sort of stuff. Fair enough, I wouldn't get any thrill out of killing a person. But the one thing he did talk bubblegum on was the flimsy sidearm he was given by the military. Apparently it wasn't to his liking and subpar for what he wish the marines had issued him. I can understand the hate on the 9mm, it just doesnt perform as well as the .45 ACP, but it SHOULD make up for that in the amount of bullets (rounds) in the magazine. You can double tap and triple tap all day long and still have some left with a Beretta M9 magazine than you can with a standard 1911 magazine. As someone who enjoys talking about my favorite hobby, handguns, I went to a fraternity party. I mentioned to a police officer at the party, making sure no fights break out, that I owned a Beretta M9. He immediately told me that gun was TRASH. He said the 9mm round was incapable of taking down a "suspect" in a short enough amount of time, almost as if he could brush the penetration of 9mm bullets off and continue being a threat. I told him, I bought it because 9mm rounds are relatively cheap, and I could afford to shoot it (outside of the $18 an hour booth rental fees at local indoor firing ranges) he did give me that, but his glock .40 cal (I think it was a glock 23) he got free ammunition for from his police department, so it was a non-issue. As far as I can tell, soldiers and policemen hate my firearm. Either because of the weapon or the round it shoots. The only points I got from talking to the police officer was the fact that I had LG402 handgrips and the laser dot could make a suspect bubblegum his pants when he saw it on his chest. Other than that, it was incapable of performing up to par for their tastes. So I ask fellow gun enthusiasts, why so much hate on 9mm hand guns, and the Beretta M9? I don't understand it, because I would be pretty damn scared if I was up against a 9mm handgun when facing "The Elephant"