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As to the original OP...the mental health thing that Inslee tried to exploit was actually a result of very hard work done in very quiet meetings between mental health professionals and gun rights professionals.

Just because people claim to be "gun rights professionals" doesn't mean they are. It's sort of like being an "environmentalist". Absolutely no qualifications required and no indication that you speak for anyone. IMO any gun rights person that sets foot in that kind of environment, isn't. It's been known for many years amongst " gun rights professionals" that mental health is considered an excellent avenue of approach for incremental anti-2A treachery. First it's banning combat vets, then it's anyone that's ever even been accused of domestic violence, then it's anyone that claims to be conservative, then....

Sure, it starts out sounding reasonable, but it will never and can never end at that point. The left will not tolerate it because they won't be satisfied until only the government has guns.
 
From a practical standpoint, it ("common sense" gun laws) have turned California and Connecticut gun owners among others in to second class citizens, or ala India...a lower caste...In Washington and Oregon among other states we can gleefully shoot 30 or more (oh my) rounds out of one magazine. California...no more than 10! We can much more easily get a concealed weapon permit as well. Just watching this forum you can see people decide where they will retire simply because certain states aren't infringing their rights like others. There are perfectly law abiding productive citizens who work, pay taxes, raise families but suddenly, at the stroke of an overreaching government pen (State Supreme Courts SHOULD have struck down SB941 and I594) at the stroke of a pen are now law breakers according to the left.

For all your wishes and feel good intentions and yelling at the top of your lungs....2 and 2 is still 4, just like the Second Amendment stated "shall not be infringed." It is non negotiable to far more Americans than you can imagine.

Brutus Out
 
Just because people claim to be "gun rights professionals" doesn't mean they are. It's sort of like being an "environmentalist". Absolutely no qualifications required and no indication that you speak for anyone. IMO any gun rights person that sets foot in that kind of environment, isn't. It's been known for many years amongst " gun rights professionals" that mental health is considered an excellent avenue of approach for incremental anti-2A treachery. First it's banning combat vets, then it's anyone that's ever even been accused of domestic violence, then it's anyone that claims to be conservative, then....

Sure, it starts out sounding reasonable, but it will never and can never end at that point. The left will not tolerate it because they won't be satisfied until only the government has guns.

When I use the term "gun rights professionals" they are.
The idea behind the legislation is to prevent suicide, not go after guns. Inslee turned it into that, and the people who were working on it apparently aren't too happy.
 
I suggest this thread be locked and if the troll starts it up again that he be blocked from the forum. I agree this forum is here to help people who would like to learn more about guns and where and how to use them responsibly, whether for self defense or recreation.
I doubt many of us here on this forum are haters but many of us are fearful of a government over reaching its bounds which can easily put us back to square one where the founders had to fight a war to get us out from under a Tyrant King. Primarily over guns and the right to own and keep them. The first shots were literally because the British Army was trying to confiscate our weapons and powder and lead shot. Look it up I may be off on the small things but I have the gist of it down right.
Gabby
 
I suggest this thread be locked and if the troll starts it up again that he be blocked from the forum. I agree this forum is here to help people who would like to learn more about guns and where and how to use them responsibly, whether for self defense or recreation.
I doubt many of us here on this forum are haters but many of us are fearful of a government over reaching its bounds which can easily put us back to square one where the founders had to fight a war to get us out from under a Tyrant King. Primarily over guns and the right to own and keep them. The first shots were literally because the British Army was trying to confiscate our weapons and powder and lead shot. Look it up I may be off on the small things but I have the gist of it down right.
Gabby



Gabby: Your response here is exactly why this thread should remain open. Your comments are reasonable, show a lot of thought went into them, and provide an example for everyone else.
If someone gets too far into the weeds, you'll be here to bring 'em back! ;)
 
I see few posters here that don't know the difference between a gun maker and a gun taker. When there is a Democrat (ic Socialist) in the room the place reeks of Donkey. Better to allow one room to get filthy as a sacrifice area then let it spread to other threads;)
 
I asked for locking the thread to prevent this from getting out of hand.
This is a subject that spurs our emotions and can lead to bad responses
and since this is a family oriented forum I don't see a reason to let it continue.
The responses so far have covered (in my opinion) all the relevant points
in rebuttal of the Original poster, who (in my opinion) is a troll.
So why let that sort of thing continue?
By blocking this thread he would have to start it anew and that would be
proof positive that he is in fact a troll!
At that point the administrators could step in and remove him from the forum.
We don't need people like that stirring crap up.
Does that make sense to you?
Gabby
 
I asked for locking the thread to prevent this from getting out of hand.
This is a subject that spurs our emotions and can lead to bad responses
and since this is a family oriented forum I don't see a reason to let it continue.
The responses so far have covered (in my opinion) all the relevant points
in rebuttal of the Original poster, who (in my opinion) is a troll.
So why let that sort of thing continue?
By blocking this thread he would have to start it anew and that would be
proof positive that he is in fact a troll!
At that point the administrators could step in and remove him from the forum.
We don't need people like that stirring crap up.
Does that make sense to you?
Gabby

Yes. I agree.
 
Trolls exist.

And actually, this particular troll, if that is what he is, was fairly polite as trolls go.

I've been on a lot of forums for as long as there have been forums - before there was an internet and there were dialup BBS's.

I've seen a lot of trolls. I've been in a lot of discussions on political, religious and other controversial topics - some of those on forums where the only rule was you didn't threaten anybody and you did not disclose anybody's personal info (name, address, etc.).

Many of those discussions turned downright nasty. Such is life.

People in general are not rational, especially about controversial topics.

I deal with it. If it gets to me I go away for a while. It is my problem - not theirs. I have a choice. I can sit there and expose myself to it, or I can go spend my time somewhere else. I can also easily ignore the person, the thread or the topic altogether. No one is forcing anyone to come into any forum or thread and interact with anybody here.

Of course, it is well within the rights of the forum owner to have and enforce whatever rules they wish to have and enforce in whatever manner they wish. It is their private forum.

I just have to say though, that this thread is about the tamest of the tame I have dealt with when it comes to "trolls" and the topic. If people can't deal with this maybe they should reconsider how they interact with people on the internet. Or maybe the forum owner should reconsider having a sub-forum where political discussions are allowed and restrict the discussion to a very narrow discussion of legal issues.

However, in my opinion, that would be a mistake. If people are not willing to have candid open rational and polite debate about a topic, then they are not going to learn anything. Keep out diversified opinion and you are not going to learn how to deal with opposing points of view. You won't be able to hone your arguments - to learn its weaknesses and strengths - or the weaknesses and strengths of the opposing point of view. You won't be able to practice your arguments - you will just be preaching to the choir.

But do whatever you want - it's your life. Just saying...
 
The problem I see is not the troll but more that the thread has gotten so long and unwieldy. It's hard to wade thru 13 pages and 250 posts and maintain any semblance of continuity.
 
I see few posters here that don't know the difference between a gun maker and a gun taker. When there is a Democrat (ic Socialist) in the room the place reeks of Donkey. Better to allow one room to get filthy as a sacrifice area then let it spread to other threads;)
Did you not read @Joe Link 's post? Need to curb the anti-party rhetoric. Use the word "anti." Betsy Johnson is a Democrat who has done more to protect gun rights than you have.
 
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