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Why I Don't Use Google/Samsung Products

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ZigZagZeke, May 22, 2013.

  1. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Court Rules NSA Doesn't Have To Reveal Its Semi-Secret Relationship With Google - Forbes

    "...controversy has been growing around the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), a bill that passed the House last month in a form that would allow private firms like Google to share a wide range of information with government agencies like the NSA for cybersecurity reasons, as well as other vague purposes like computer “crime” and even “the protection of individuals from the danger of death or serious bodily harm.”

    Google makes its money by collecting and selling the personal information of its users. It ripped off Apple's phone/tablet operating system, copied it, and gave it (named Android) to Samsung, who then copied Apple's hardware and used the copied hardware and stolen software to compete with Apple in the phone business. What's in it for Google to give away an operating system for phones? The personal information of the users of those phones, which it can then gather and sell to whoever. Of course, if the government requests that information there's nothing to stop Google from sending that information along.

    How is this gun related? Do you visit this page on your Samsung/Google/Android phone? If so it's a short hop for the NSA to follow your activities and know that you frequent a "pro-gun" site. Do you connect to NWFA using Windows IE or worse yet Google Chrome? If so your on line activities, all of them can be and are being tracked by Google and others. Again, which gun related sites do they know you visit? All of them. And now it appears there's a direct feed to the NSA under CISPA.

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  2. jefe

    jefe Portland Active Member

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    google didn't "steal" apple's ipad operating system. android is a linux-based operating system. if anything, apple osx rips off linux ALL THE TIME. do your research, apple osx is based on unix (of which linux is a clone), but the GUI of osx is "borrowed" (in violation of the GNU license) from developments in the linux (open-source) community. furthermore, apple has a long history of stealing from other companies, such as xerox.

    apple products are overpriced, polished "turds."

    with regards to being spied on, you are correct. especially when using IE, chrome, or safari.
     
  3. t.huynh

    t.huynh vancouver, wa Active Member

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    QFT. Apple has a long history of stealing things from others and calling it their own.

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  4. Bowtie

    Bowtie Oregon City Member

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    You should also do some research into the patents that have been invalided by the US Patent Office that were given to Apple.
     
  5. Darknight

    Darknight Salem Active Member

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    NSA's Utah Data Center nears completion | Fox News Video


    It doesn't matter what you use, they know everything everywhere at all times. Do you ever read the agreement fine print when you download an app or install software? Or do you just click agree and install? Anytime you use any electronic device that is connected to a network, they know and thanks to the Utah data center will have it on file for a very long time.
     
  6. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I use startpage.com ;-)
     
  7. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Taste great... Less filling! Did not... Did too! Apple rules... No way, Microsoft rules!



    Nerds.
     
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  8. mancat

    mancat Kitsap County Well-Known Member

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    the GUI and the underlying Unix base of OSX and IOS goes all the way back to NeXT - it wasn't "stolen." Apple purchased NeXT when they brought back Steve Jobs. Apple modernized the NeXTStep OS by bringing in modern BSD Unix source code, and overhauling the GUI. Underneath the hood, OS X is basically a modern NeXTStep - you can still find references to NeXTStep in a lot of the OS X header files and sources.

    Apple does have a long history of choosing to use BSD-licensed open-source software, because they can take what they want without ever returning anything to the community. Apple used to release regular sources and usable software to the open-source community, and you could even install the base OS of OS X (Darwin), minus the GUI and associated software, on any Mac or PC. I had a PC running Darwin for some time when one of the later releases came out - it was pretty much a novelty, but it was a fully-functional Unix system, just without the OS X GUI. I built X11 and KDE from source and had a fully-working GUI just to play with it, but it obviously wasn't the same as OS X.

    They stopped doing this almost ten years ago, and they don't release anything any more.

    I'm not an Apple fan boy.. Apple is very greedy and not a friend to the open-source world. Just that technically, they haven't "stolen" a whole lot, because a lot of it was stuff that they have every legal right to take by way of licensing.

    Now.. Look into other things like the OS X dock.. That was a piece of software that Apple definitely stole. Lunduke.com » Things Apple Stole: Part 1 ? The Dock
     
  9. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Been a Samsung dealer for 20 years. I always use the line that 'Samsung copies everyone else's ideas and tech, then sells it for cheaper." Businesses looking for the best bang for the buck gobble that up.

    When Darpa and the Global Info Grid (GIG) are at 100% you won't be able to pee without big brother knowing how many times you shook before zipping up. Smell that freedom baby. Poor dumb Americans and their freedom nonsense.
     
  10. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    yea, samsung is not the only one sharing your info. all networks are being traced and recorded. it does not matter what system you use, all the same things are being kept on file. you can thank the patriot act.
     
  11. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    OS X is BSD Unix under the hood. BSD Unix has been around longer than Linux. Eric Schmidt was the CEO of Google and an Apple board member when iOS and the iPhone were being developed. He was kicked off the board and stole the iPhone OS and it's design features. Google and Samsung are thieves, pure and simple. As for who is copying who:

    apple-has-put-forward-this-chart-to-demonstrate-how-blatantly-samsung-copied-the-iphone.png
     
  12. t.huynh

    t.huynh vancouver, wa Active Member

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    All phones look pretty much the same now. Big screens, few buttons, and rectangular.

    What about Apple stealing design ideas?

    http://www.cultofmac.com/188753/the-braun-products-that-inspired-apples-iconic-designs-gallery/

    What if I told you Samsung had a minimalistic media playing device, that looks like an iPhone, but was released before the iPhone?

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    Ralgha Portland Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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  14. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Not quite. Jobs actually paid Xerox with Apple stock in return for access to the Xerox labs. Xerox foolishly dumped the stock which would be worth billions today.

    "In 1979, Xerox bought a small stake in Apple. Xerox got a stock certificate. Apple got access to Xerox technology.

    Apple engineers, and CEO Steve Jobs, visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Alto’s graphical interface and look “under the hood.” That visit reinforced similar work already underway at Apple for its Lisa and Macintosh."

    http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/input-output/14/348

    I do agree that Firefox has better privacy than Chrome or IE.
     
  15. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    lets face it, they are all rip offs of the old PDAs. there are few things in the world that are actually original ideas when it comes to tech.
     
  16. Ralgha

    Ralgha Portland Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Quite. COMPANY NEWS - Xerox Sues Apple Computer Over Macintosh Copyright - NYTimes.com
     
  17. Netspirit

    Netspirit Bellevue, WA Active Member

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    I cannot understand why the OP is claiming Microsoft IE is sending anything to Google. How does that make sense?
     
  18. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Sure, a decade later Xerox realized they'd gotten a bad deal and they sued Apple - and lost. But it's not true to say that Apple ripped them off - they had a deal with Xerox and paid them with 100,000 shares of Apple stock which Xerox immediately sold. Today that Apple stock would be worth $135m.
     
  19. GuyBMeredith

    GuyBMeredith Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    I worked in the Xerox engineering group in El Segundo at the time Jobs acquired the technology. Idiot tonerhead management didn't have enough vision to sell anything but copiers and fumbled any number of technology markets.

    Most of us just gritted our teeth and cursed their stupidity when they handed it to Jobs.

    Two other examples are the technology that became Adobe and the technology that became 3Com and the Ethernet industry.
     
  20. oneharmonic

    oneharmonic Portland, OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm alright with them being thieves, because the bottom line is that despite what Steve Jobs insisted, people do want a smartphone with a screen larger than 3.5".

    galaxy-s-3-vs-iphone-4s.jpg

    Industry competition might be bad for Apple but it's good for consumers.

    PS: Adding 64GB of memory to an iPhone adds $200 to the price. Adding 64GB of memory to my GS3 costs $52.