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Why does 4473 ask about race, ethnicity?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Is Obama administration promoting gun control racism?

    For the first time since it became required in 2012 for new gun buyers to show their race and ethnicity on the federal Form 4473, the demand for that information – an Obama administration idea designed to comply with a reporting standard adopted during the Clinton administration – is now being questioned, according to yesterday’s Washington Times.

  2. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Eric Holder wants to find out just how many guns whitie is buying and scheming on to further restrict our rights.
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  3. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I'm guessing it's more along the lines of the "Latinos" since it asks about that one specifically, seperately.

    It's racist as all get out either way.
  4. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    I'm of the human race.... and since it's a race, I'll say I'm in first place. What did I win?
  5. GunRightsCoalition

    GunRightsCoalition Vancouver Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    The notion that you can stop racism by treating the perceived races differently is an absurdity.
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  6. jrprich

    jrprich PNW Well-Known Member

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    This race, ethnicity question appears on all sorts of forms and applications these days. I usually just ignore it and leave it all blank.
  7. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well, you can't leave it blank on a 4473.
  8. Quacky88

    Quacky88 Oregon Active Member

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    You can't get a tooth pulled without seeing forms with questions like: Do you own firearms? If so where do you keep them? Are you a dog or a cat person?.... And other questions of dire importance for the upcoming procedure/checkup. I always answer completely and honestly....;)

    4473 ethnicity question: cracker/honkie

    Gimme' my gun now please
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2014
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  9. TacticalDragQueen

    TacticalDragQueen E.WA Member

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    On the whole as a non-criminal free American, the form 4473 upsets me. In 2012 I purchased a AR at my lgs and was very taken aback when I read the new question placed in block 10A. I became very upset. Sickened. For years I have purchased firearms and never seen this block before. Am I criminally inclined just because I am Hispanic?! I feel that is insinuated by this question. Do my purchases come under some sort of special scrutiny because I am Hispanic? It really angers me when I purchase a firearm and have to fill out this block...should I wear a cloth TACO shaped patch from now on!? I am a American....that's all that matters!!:mad:
  10. 66PonyCar

    66PonyCar Tigard, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I was just on the ATF website and it says you must answer both question 10a. ( Hispanic or not) as well as 10b. (Race). On 10b. you may check one or more boxes (per the instructions). So I suppose on 10b. you could check them all and let them figure it out.;)
  11. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    <- Why there aren't any school shootings in Israel!
    Teacher with long gun slung over her shoulder!!!

    Yep, form was revised in 2012 and it's just now upsetting people?

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  12. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Just check all the boxes.
  13. TacticalDragQueen

    TacticalDragQueen E.WA Member

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    I think a lot of people just accepted it as something that was normal. Remember we had a whole lot of new gun owners later on that year. Its better to get angry now than to let it ride.
  14. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Actually when it was changed people here were all over it as racist. On other forums it was also talked about.
  15. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    So how would Obama fill out a race question on a 4473?:D
  16. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    The roots of gun control are steeped in racism (http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2014/03/10/progressive-racism-the-hidden-motive-driving-modern-politics/):

    Progressive position:
    Restrict access to guns as much as possible; ultimately ban and confiscate them all.
    False public rationale offered by progressives to justify their position:
    Gun violence is a scourge on society; easy access to killing machines unnecessarily facilitates murder and crime.
    Conservatives’ inaccurate theory of progressives’ real intent:
    Progressives want to disarm the populace to prevent armed resistance to the eventual imposition of a leftist totalitarian police state.
    The actual racist origins of the progressive stance:
    White urban liberals are deathly afraid of black gangbangers with guns, but are ashamed to admit this publicly, so to mask their racist fears they try to ban guns for everyone, as a way of warding off the perception that their real goal is to target blacks specifically.

    The basic dividing line in American politics is not (as it once was ) North vs. South, nor is it (as many people now assume) Coasts vs. Flyover Country, but rather Urban vs. Rural:

    The new political divide is a stark division between cities and what remains of the countryside. Not just some cities and some rural areas, either — virtually every major city (100,000-plus population) in the United States of America has a different outlook from the less populous areas that are closest to it. The difference is no longer about where people live, it’s about how people live: in spread-out, open, low-density privacy — or amid rough-and-tumble, in-your-face population density and diverse communities that enforce a lower-common denominator of tolerance among inhabitants. …The only major cities that voted Republican in the 2012 presidential election were Phoenix, Oklahoma City, Fort Worth, and Salt Lake City.

    Or put more simply: In modern America, liberals live in cities; conservatives live in rural areas. And what else is concentrated in cities? African-Americans, and gun violence:

    The 62 center cities of America’s 50 largest metro areas account for 15 percent of the population but 39 percent of gun-related murders.

    Putting all these statistics together, we see that large cities have high concentrations of white liberals alongside gun-using black criminals. And yet it is specifically in Democrat-voting big cities where most of the gun-control measures are proposed. Why is that? Are the white progressive urban dwellers afraid of rootin’-tootin’ cowboys? Of backwoods deer hunters? Of hillbillies with shotguns? No: the average white progressive has never even met a cowboy, a hunter or a hillbilly. And frankly, progressives couldn’t care less if rednecks own guns, because progressives aren’t physically afraid of rednecks on a daily basis. Instead, they are afraid of gun violence at the hands of their fellow city-dwellers, the urban African-Americans who commit a wildly disproportionate percentage of the gun crimes in America.

    Progressives don’t want to ban guns to disarm resistance to any upcoming police state; that idea has never even occurred to them. Instead, progressives want to ban guns because progressives are afraid of black people.

    But God forbid that progressives’ racist motivations be exposed publicly. So to make the gun-control bans appear even-handed and race-neutral, progressives must try to ban guns for everyone, even though the bans are in reality aimed at one specific group. Rural gun-users are just collateral damage of a policy that actually targets inner-city blacks.​