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Why do authors screw when writing about guns?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by tac, Dec 26, 2015.

  1. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    Why, oh why do authors manage to get SOOOOO many things wrong with established facts and physics where GUNS are concerned? Great plots, great writing and yet, the moment they start writing about guns and shooting, it all turns to total rat-shirt. It's not as though it was arcane theory, is it? We are talking about the SCIENCE of ballistics and the LAWS of Momentum, conversion of mass and velocity into kinetic energy and so on.

    We've all seen the story with a safety on a Smith & Wesson Model 29, on a GLOCK, even, but hows-about THIS pile of carp from noted author David Baldacci?

    I'm quoting the exact wording from page 11 of his hit book, 'The hit' -

    'The long-distance flight of the 7.62 round built up astonishing kinetic energy. In fact, the farther it traveled the more energy it built up.'

    WT..........................?

    Who tells authors that carp like this is fit to print, when the book is likely going to be read by 'a nation of riflemen', let alone a poor old furriner with a few guns living in Yesterdayland?

    I stopped reading right there - having paid the equivalent of $30 for this book, I can tell you that it will be going back to the bookstore on Monday.

    tac, really cheesed off. :mad: x10
     
  2. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Probably talking about those projectiles with secondary boosters. I think Hornady makes em.
     
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  3. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Because, It's fiction?
     
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  4. No_Regerts

    No_Regerts United States Well-Known Member

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    I read the thread title and thought this was going to go in a different direction.
     
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  5. 41Slinger

    41Slinger Harrisburg Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I don't understand tac, here in the USA we shoot elk through the eye running at a 1000 yds over the shoulder and around the back with a 22 lr full auto single action bear cat while thumbing the hammer with both thumbs.

    Sorry I should've said meters instead of yards, you probably won't believe me now.
     
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  6. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    This has been going on forever, may authors are members of the 'elite' and so have their head up their arse
    what's the title of the book?
     
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  7. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    It all started with the "Natl Enquirer". Now everybody thinks they can just print any old BS and we'll buy it.
     
  8. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Its exactly the same reason we see fire in outer space. Or someone being blow out a window on an airliner if its decompressed. Or the space ship feeling a shock wave from the bad guys ship they just blew up.

    Physic's is a rarely understood science and writers took mostly English classes not science.
     
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  9. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    There's one guy, a Brit, has some utube vids where all he does is lambaste middle ages combat scenes.. it's pretty awesome.

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  10. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    Ahah! It got your attention, right? ;)

    tac
     
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  11. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    I'll let you guess from reading a quote from my post, and then test you again, OK?

    Quote from Post #1 - read carefully - 'I'm quoting the exact wording from page 11 of his hit book, 'The hit' -

    tac
     
  12. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    Why's that?

    Only the miltary of which I no longer are one, and furriners use meters. Forget all that stuff about meters up in the GWN, none of us use anything but miles and yards, and acres and board-feet and cords and bushels and quarts, not even those folks in Québec.

    tac
     
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  13. pioneer461

    pioneer461 Columbia County, Oregon Active Member

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    Oh you mean the well known Glock revolver with safety switch? Or revolvers with "silencers?" Most of those authors, and "journalists" are like many citizens; they are ignorant. A basic tenant of writing is to write what you know about. Too many authors don't know diddly about guns, but otherwise know how to spin a good yarn. For me, it ruins the story.

    An author I can recommend is Stephen Hunter, who has written several knowledgeable novels involving the care and use of firearms. He developed the character "Bob Lee Swagger" the son of "Sgt. Earl Swagger," two generations of snipers. One of his novels, "Point of Impact," was the base of the movie "Shooter." Unfortunately Hollywood ruined the story and cast Mark Wahlberg, an anti-gun actor, to play the role of Swagger. Not a bad movie anyway, but as is most such cases, the book is much better.
    :cool:
     
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  14. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    I read a lot, Usually a couple of books a week. This has been one of my standard complaints since about 8th grade. Stephen King used to be awful about it, flat out making up calibers, firearms and terminology. He has improved, probably because so many folks gave him hell about it.

    I am sure there are tons of similar situations with other subjects, It just so happens you know something about guns so it stands out.
     
  15. pioneer461

    pioneer461 Columbia County, Oregon Active Member

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    I'm a former Stephen King fan, but quit reading his stuff when he began inserting "progressive" political opinion into his stories. I haven't read a King novel since the "Dome."
     
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    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Im with ya, I started reading his stuff in the early 80's and was a fan up until I starting hearing what came out of his mouth in real life.
     
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  17. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    Oh that easy due to the curvature of the earth and the earths rotation that spins at about 1000 miles and hour. And 7.62x39mm is typically a 122-123 grain bullet moving along at 2350-2400 fps out of the muzzle. This speed when combined with the earths rotational speed gives it a boost at maximum velocity.
    Glad I could help clear this up ! :rolleyes:;)
     
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  18. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    How about the guns loud report when shooting in space.
    Or, making sure the Glocks safety is switched off.
     
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  19. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    What REALLY burns my butt is when so called conservative gun owners (yea on FOX news) get things wrong - and some are SO wrong they cannot honestly own the guns they are talking about.
     
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  20. thorborg

    thorborg portland oregon Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    "tac, really cheesed off. :mad: x10":eek:

    In the event you are not being rhetorical or facetious,:rolleyes: most bookstores and library's have people who can guide you to technical section.:) There, misinformation could be disappointing, disconcerting or even dangerous.:eek: I don't believe Mr.David Baldacci is listed in the technical section making expectations of accuracy puzzling.:confused:
    We bought our granddaughter the Rush Limbaugh children's books yet While I believe the gist of the events are basically factual:) she knows no one can really time travel, :((yet):)and that a talking Liberty or even a Mr. Ed was a stretch. o_O:D