WHY attire matters...

[duane black]

If you are driving down the road with a hoodie on, you are trying to keep LEO from getting a look at you and hooking you on your 23 warrants you have. Same with window tint. Both will get an LEO to look at you closer, and look for that needed PC to stop and FIR you, which usually happens with criminal types in pretty short order, then they start the "profiling" bulls**t.

I drive a car with tinted windows and wear a Carhartt hoodie in the winter, sometimes I even have a Carhartt beanie on under ! Most of the time I have a Glock 23 shoved in my pants, can you imagine ? I am tattooed too !

Oh noes !

Hide yo wife, hide yo kids.

I need to be extra carefull I guess.

 

[unklekippy]

No one needs to dress any specific way. However, wearing a colored bandana out of the back pocket of your sagging jeans(you know, a definite way to let folks know what gang you belong too) is the same as, say, a white person with shaved head, red suspenders, flight jacket and boots. Now, in the case of the "skinhead", he is to be yelled at by all types of passers by and hassled by the cops because he is obviously a racist skinhead. On the other hand, don't call a gang banger a gang banger, because you "don't understand their culture". bubblegum all this crap and the double standards. Were any black's frisked or fingerprinted while looking for the shooter of MLK Jr.? Why is racial profiling only one-directional? Since we all know what nerdy white guys dress, walk and talk like. Just watch a black television program. The best part? Me speaking AGAINST racism will have me labeled a racist. Only whites are capable of that.

 

[unklekippy]

One more observation: My favorite part of profiling is when I am standing amongst the saggy pantsed, tattooed, pierced, offensive T-shirt wearing types with my western shirt, cowboy hat(Resistol in the summer, Stetson in the winter) and jeans that fit, I often wonder who else is armed(?). Do they know I am armed? Do they know that I am a published critic of independent music and comedy(Chunklet, Dagger and Slug magazine's and co-author of The Indie Cred Test, now being published by Penguin.)?

Would anyone guess that this redneck looking cowboy wannabe in the last ten years has flown all over the US to see and write about punk and other "offensive" bands? I went to Chicago for the Touch & Go Records 25th Anniversary, Seattle for Sub Pop's 20th and Minneapolis for Amphetamine Reptiles 25th. I followed The Jesus Lizard on tour in '09. No one that knows anything about bands like that would EVER expect me to be so well versed.

My point is, I completely understand "profiling". It is the same as "prejudice". We all form an opinion of others upon sight. Whether it be based on skin color, style of dress, hair/beard or the way you carry yourself. This idea that ANYONE is above it is absurd.

In the end, being "tolerant" just means you don't care enough to be offended. I cannot work that way and I pity those that strive for it.

 

[Certaindeaf]

No one needs to dress any specific way..

Is that why all the fine women in Muslim countries wear bikini's while walking down the street and the men wear visible crucifixes around their necks? ha
Over there, you'd better dress a specific way or you're executed.

 

[unklekippy]

Is that why all the fine women in Muslim countries wear bikini's while walking down the street and the men wear visible crucifixes around their necks? ha
Over there, you'd better dress a specific way or you're executed.

"Over there" isn't a concern of mine. Those in the stone age can act as such. In America, where God pays attention, we actually have the frredom to dress as we choose. That so many choose to emulate gangster's isn't an indictment of the American principle, it's an indictment of the complacency we fall into when we forget that we have to fight so that fools may dress as such.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Some Scandinavian countries have large Muslim populations. Open doors and "equality" and all that. There have been more than a few cases of rape by Muslims there, their defense being that where they come from, women deserve such treatment by dressing and acting a certain way. The odd/weird thing is that in more than a few of these cases, these governments have agreed with the defense, finding the offenders not-guilty.

 

[dmancornell]

Some Scandinavian countries have large Muslim populations. Open doors and "equality" and all that. There have been more than a few cases of rape by Muslims there, their defense being that where they come from, women deserve such treatment by dressing and acting a certain way. The odd/weird thing is that in more than a few of these cases, these governments have agreed with the defense, finding the offenders not-guilty.

Nope, not true. They were all found guilty of rape, albeit with joke punishments.

And frankly the condemnation of hoodies in the US is no different from the muslim provocative-miniskirt defense.

 

[muppetman]

Here's an interesting journal to read (for those who feel so inclined) outlining the concepts of Threat Detection, how it develops and its basis in evolution..

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Supporting article:

Has evolution primed humans to ?beware the beast??

So 'if' the hypothesis of 'threat detection' being an evolutionary adaptation and 'hard wired' into the human psyche is to be believed (and there is good evidence to suggest it is), is profiling and stereotyping simply part of 'human nature'? This doesn't suggest it is right or wrong, however, it does pose an interesting question and one that reaches far beyond 'modern culture'... And bringing it upto date you could argue that the defense / excuse proposed by Obama regarding 'opinions being based upon experience' for the African American community are entirely true on the other side for Zimmerman and society at large?

 

[Provincial]

Clothing is just one aspect of "suspicious" behavior. Here is a real-world case:

I observed two SUV's drive past me further (this was a mile and a half past the signs) into an area that is legally restricted (and posted) prohibiting motorized vehicles. They passed me again a few minutes later headed out. I completed my work and headed out. At the gate where the signage is located, one of the SUV's was parked in the road and holding an object out the driver's window. When I came around the corner behind him, he withdrew the object and left at a high rate of speed down the county road. As I followed at a normal pace I barely kept him in sight. He ran two stop signs located about 100 ft. apart and turned up a curvy county road headed into a more rural area. I decided to follow him when he ran the stop signs. He proceeded 20mph faster than normal (and 30mph faster than safe) until he caught up with the first SUV, who set a normal pace. I followed them long enough to get license numbers and vehicle descriptions in case of future problems, then proceeded with my normal day.

I wouldn't have followed them, but the behavior of "running" when they noticed me approaching in a normal manner made me suspicious. I now wonder if the driver was just trying to catch up with the first SUV rather than "running," but still wonder what he was doing at the gate. Remember, they were in a legally prohibited area to begin with.

Someone wearing a hoodie walking down the sidewalk may not be suspicious. The same person leaving the sidewalk to peer into windows or checking to see if doors or windows are locked is suspicious if they are not known to the local residents.

 

[Kevinkris]

i still cant believe there are so many people here that say you should dress a certain way to keep from being profiled. i guess they arent all that opposed to giving up individual liberties in the name of public safety.

 

[ArgyleAdams]

Criminals wear hoodies to conceal their outward identity. Plain and simple. If you conceal your profile, you reduce the chance of ANYBODY identifying you, police or not. If you are driving down the road with a hoodie on, you are trying to keep LEO from getting a look at you and hooking you on your 23 warrants you have. Same with window tint. Both will get an LEO to look at you closer, and look for that needed PC to stop and FIR you, which usually happens with criminal types in pretty short order, then they start the "profiling" bulls**t...

Yes, that's the only possible explanation. It couldn't be that you're having a bad hair day, that the heat in your car doesn't work, that you're driving to work at a construction site or even that you have a fever and are on your way to the doctor's. Nobody ever wears a hoodie for any of those reasons (unless, of course, they are also repeat offenders, obvi).

No one needs to dress any specific way. However, wearing a colored bandana out of the back pocket of your sagging jeans(you know, a definite way to let folks know what gang you belong too) is the same as, say, a white person with shaved head, red suspenders, flight jacket and boots. Now, in the case of the "skinhead", he is to be yelled at by all types of passers by and hassled by the cops because he is obviously a racist skinhead. On the other hand, don't call a gang banger a gang banger, because you "don't understand their culture". bubblegum all this crap and the double standards. Were any black's frisked or fingerprinted while looking for the shooter of MLK Jr.? Why is racial profiling only one-directional? Since we all know what nerdy white guys dress, walk and talk like. Just watch a black television program. The best part? Me speaking AGAINST racism will have me labeled a racist. Only whites are capable of that.

Ever heard of the SHARPs? The skinhead subculture originated as a multiracial blue collar movement, not as a racist one, until it was coopted by the neonazis.

Is that why all the fine women in Muslim countries wear bikini's while walking down the street and the men wear visible crucifixes around their necks? ha
Over there, you'd better dress a specific way or you're executed.

Exactly. This is an excellent standard for our free nation to aspire to. Anyone who wears clothing that isn't fully in sync with the cultural hegemony of the day doesn't deserve to be treated like a full-fledged human being.

 

[rapgood]

Hmmm. Good thoughts to ponder. However, when I see someone dressed in black with a ninja face mask and an AR-15, I'm 100% sure that (s)he can be accurately profiled as a coward.

 

[GOG]

How a person dresses influences other people's impressions whether you like it or not. Just go downtown or to a mall and people watch. It won't take long to figure it out.

Dress any way you like, I'm not the fashion police. Heck, go naked if it makes you happy. But unless I get in your face, my reactions and observations are none of your business. We both have the same rights.

 

[The B]

How a person dresses influences other people's impressions whether you like it or not. Just go downtown or to a mall and people watch. It won't take long to figure it out.

Dress any way you like, I'm not the fashion police. Heck, go naked if it makes you happy. But unless I get in your face, my reactions and observations are none of your business. We both have the same rights.

I seriously doubt anyone gives a flying f-bomb what you think of how people dress... breath easy.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Ive yet to see a saggy pants, sideways hat dawning, hoody wearing young teen to actually be a model citizen.

 

[The B]

Ive yet to see a saggy pants, sideways hat dawning, hoody wearing young teen to actually be a model citizen.

Um, dude... you're obviously not spending much time in highschools and universities these days. A decade ago, the above would have had a lot better odds of describing a worthless thug... but nowdays, you're describing the uniform of an entire generation.

You might not like it, but this generation is producing intelligent, original, productive people, just like any before.

 

[GOG]

I seriously doubt anyone gives a flying f-bomb what you think of how people dress... breath easy.

Well, I do. I was expressing my opinion and I breathe pretty easy. But thank you for the pithy observation.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Um, dude... you're obviously not spending much time in highschools and universities these days. A decade ago, the above would have had a lot better odds of describing a worthless thug... but nowdays, you're describing the uniform of an entire generation.

You might not like it, but this generation is producing intelligent, original, productive people, just like any before.

You know what, you're right!
I don't hang out in high schools or colleges..
Im too busy working and running a business to pay the taxes that those above mentioned degenerates depend upon.

Be it the children they pop out from multiple partners or the asinine studies they pursue as a minor/major that leaves them jobless right out of college.
Or perhaps the indoctrination of entitlement they pick up in those four short years that makes them a living hell to work with that in the end is the catalyst for them losing their said job.

I stand by what I said.
Though this "up and coming" generation idolizes looking like thug scum or trailer trash..
They dress how they act.. With little to no thought of the future and an attitude that no employer would want to hire.

They don't work hard, they don't contribute and they don't produce anything.. Well, other than a larger voter base (children) for the socialists.

 

[dmancornell]

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Despite your prejudices, the government will be raping us young'uns to pay for your social security checks for the next 40 years. Don't forget to say thank you!

inb4 paying for my education, I went to private school (see name) to acquire my worthless major (MS, electrical engineering).

And yes I like wearing hoodies, they are comfortable.

 

[Kevinkris]

You know what, you're right!
I don't hang out in high schools or colleges..
Im too busy working and running a business to pay the taxes that those above mentioned degenerates depend upon.

Be it the children they pop out from multiple partners or the asinine studies they pursue as a minor/major that leaves them jobless right out of college.
Or perhaps the indoctrination of entitlement they pick up in those four short years that makes them a living hell to work with that in the end is the catalyst for them losing their said job.

I stand by what I said.
Though this "up and coming" generation idolizes looking like thug scum or trailer trash..
They dress how they act.. With little to no thought of the future and an attitude that no employer would want to hire.

They don't work hard, they don't contribute and they don't produce anything.. Well, other than a larger voter base (children) for the socialists.

times change along with the common dress. thats something youll have to get past. it just so happens that the majority of them will be good productive members of society and only a few will be criminals, or welfare junkies. your opinion comes off as a bunch of age prejudice.

lets face it, sagging your jeans to your knees gives great air flow to your sack on a hot day.