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I'm not surprised, really. It appears to be a symptom of the broader political landscape; we have presidential candidates all clambering to out do each other when it comes to the issue. I don't recall a time when they were so blatant about bans, confiscations, no grandfathering clauses for banned items, licensing/training requirements, etc. There is even one (Harris) talking of bans via executive order and about door-to-door confiscation. A bunch of bluster and BS? Some, most certainly, but the constant barrage is hard to ignore. Then there is a sitting president who probably said more pro-2A comments during the campaign than any other modern candidate from a major party. But has not only not delivered on any of those promises, has taken anti-RKBA steps, and is stating support for even more.

I know where I stand on this one and every other issue: if it expands individual liberty, I support it, and only in the rarest cases do not. If it expands the size, scope, and power of the government, I'm almost certainly opposed to it. We were warned of this a very long time ago: "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.", Thomas Jefferson, May 27, 1788
 
There is no middle ground with the left. They want, what they want. No discussions, no compromise. The Republicans are a gang of eunuchs. Led by a turkey necked shill for China. When the Republicans are in charge its bipartisan this etc. They've been getting the carrot long enough (Dems). Now its time to crack their collective backs with the stick. With this government indoctrination that started in the 90's, coupled with 60's commie hippies running academia and this narcissistic generation of microaggressions, 30+ genders, ADD/ADHD drugged up mental cases, and men with junk claiming to be women. Is there any hope this RMS Titanic will miss the iceberg? Nope! We are becoming Venezuela, if Bernie and that balloon head AOC get their way. Free everything for the world, and you'll fund it. Time to get to prepping!

One last thing......
Mayor Nan Whaley of Dayton, Ohio, and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) criticized President Donald Trump for "divisive" rhetoric after he visited the city Wednesday — though Sunday's mass shooter was a left-wing socialist. MIddle Ground? GMAFB.
 
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@DB Wesner As I mentioned in another post... these "happenings" or incidents going on as current events, bring out certain types that want to have influence over gun owners. I call them trolls. They are seeking arguments. I will play up to a certain point since I love to mix it up... but my mind is not sharp and I'm not really good at it anymore. Then there are what I've called "impostors" that visit the site... we have another coined term for them, but they typically lead with "I'm a gun owner but". One such person even linked to Everytown.... why would anybody here have that group on their bookmark list?

I'll fight em, as long as I have the energy.

For someone on the forum that has genuine questions, I don't mind explaining... but so many just have attitude or agenda and you're right, its a waste of time and energy that could be used better lobbying.

I'm like a dog when another dog raises it's hackles... the fight is on.... oh well.

Your still sharp enough to spot a phony

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Because if we don't buy the anti gunner hype nobody will panic buy and drive up sales so the market can then flood out with more polymer striker wonder 9's from every nation trying to cut into Glocks market.
 
With all do respect brother I think the frenzy as you call it is what we are left with. We have been trying to get the people balanced in the middle to stand up and vote for our rights for years and its not going to get any better! By the time people pull there heads out of the dark hole and rose colored sun glasses it will be over and they will be controlled by a socialist government.

The only thing at this point in time that will solve our issues and the fight against our 2A rights is lead!


Lead is available.....but it's not lead time yet.

We need to be doing everything we can to DELAY lead time while understanding that it could start 1 year or 20 years from now.

I ENJOY my preps and my training. I want to hand my gear off to my grandchildren and tell them 'Always be ready, just like I was.'
 
I've actually been thinking about the "why" we get caught up a lot lately.

It's similar to a battered wife syndrome where the wife cowers in fear over what will set her husband off during the day because she is worried about the beating she will get later.

As gun owners we are watching our other half of America and are worried about the abuse we will suffer later. It's beyond our control and and we have already suffered abuse by their hands in the past.

I know it's a crass comparison and I don't want to diminish the abused, but it's why we obsess. Because we fear the punishment we will get at the hands of the government which would represent the abusive spouse by a collective group that weilds power in it.

It's so bad that the normal grieving part when a tragic event occurs is shunted by the fear that people we don't know will attack us again because of the actions of another and how our abusive government will deal with it.

So why are we so focused on what they will do to us? Because we are afraid of getting slapped around again by our a abusive government and the collective gun bigots that are egging them on.
 
Before we know it squirt guns will be all that the 2nd amendment protects.

Within reason of course. I'm a squirt gun owner BUT nobody needs a super soaker that sprays oceans of water per second. They are designed to drown roomfuls of innocent people as fast as possible. Those should only be available to firefighters and military. :p
 
Before we know it squirt guns will be all that the 2nd amendment protects.
A squirt gun can be deadly at close range with the right "solution". History tells us that not only are guns an evil thing to the 'controllers' but anything that can be weaponized (swords, knives, air guns etc) is vulnerable, unless of course it is a money maker for the controllers. There really is no 'middle ground' when someone seeks to take away from you something they want or fear.
 
Since my becoming member here at NWFA, lights have continued to come on (for me) as I walked through the darkness. Sensible and rationale reasoning of resolve does not happen. Honestly, I'm dumbfounded? I stepped into a political abyss, festering with news of utter ignorance from our political leadership, that to be in position, they raise their right hand and swear to an oath. Progressively through many decades we've continued to move backward with a reaction/action effect. I try to make sense of it all, but the brain can not compute, why, the glaringly obvious can not be solved. Instead, we (not I) are led down a path of being mentally numb, only to have gotten nowhere sensible. Ours, and our kids future will not be as I once expected. Regretfully, I hold out both hands. The hand of good touches many of our lives. The other hand is holding one thin ply for our efforts. Greed will consume us all, eventually, of one form or another.

No need to quote. I'll not reply.
Just some thoughts rattling inside my common senses.
 
Since my becoming member here at NWFA, lights have continued to come on (for me) as I walked through the darkness. Sensible and rationale reasoning of resolve does not happen. Honestly, I'm dumbfounded? I stepped into a political abyss, festering with news of utter ignorance from our political leadership, that to be in position, they raise their right hand and swear to an oath. Progressively through many decades we've continued to move backward with a reaction/action effect. I try to make sense of it all, but the brain can not compute, why, the glaringly obvious can not be solved. Instead, we (not I) are led down a path of being mentally numb, only to have gotten nowhere sensible. Ours, and our kids future will not be as I once expected. Regretfully, I hold out both hands. The hand of good touches many of our lives. The other hand is holding one thin ply for our efforts. Greed will consume us all, eventually, of one form or another.

No need to quote. I'll not reply.
Just some thoughts rattling inside my common senses.

My feeble neanderthalic mind can not comprehend such complex thoughts and word patterns.

:D
 
Before we know it squirt guns will be all that the 2nd amendment protects.

Nope. Zero-Tolerance. Ask a school admin type person who they'll back when some kid brings one to school. Couch, cough.... OMG! That situation already has been ruled on.

When my son was in school, I had to remind him of the rulings (based on the News Reports from around America) of the zero-tolerance policy at the schools. IIRC (there is probably more that I missed)….. Anyway, on with it.....

No guns or ammo is allowed on the school's property. During school and/or after school. There is a FEDERAL LAW that makes it a CRIME.

THAT WAS EASY ENOUGH.

But then, BE AWARE THAT......
A gun could also be a water pistol.
A partially eaten pop tart in the shape of a gun. Is a gun.
Drawing a picture of a gun on paper, is a gun.
Using a "finger gun" and saying "bang" during recess, is a gun.
Even wearing a picture of a gun on your t-shirt (or wearing an NRA t-shirt) is also verboten.
The above actions may not be a CRIME (as no real gun is involved). BUT, these actions........are guns, according to some teachers. And, it's like telling the teacher that you have an unstable mind. You'll probably end up on suspension. Not to mention, probably years of psychotherapy (at my expense) before you're allowed back in.

Son......the point is.....
That trying to reverse a school's actions, even though if at a later date that you're ruled to be RIGHT, will cost money. Money of which, I don't have. So.....don't do it.

Of course, in trying to be a good parent....... I also had to get him up to speed on: unacceptable words and gestures that one was not allowed to use on schools grounds.

Jeeze, being a kid was much more fun in my day.

Aloha, Mark
 
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I reread 2A's opaque post and realized I'd overlooked the word 'sensible' - the equal of 'reasonable' - two of the beloved words of the 'opposite of right' folk - the post will still remain quite muddy, but gains a 'little' clarity.

I think the gist of the post is: We need more sensible i.e., reasonable gun laws.

That familiar tune folks like biden, kamala, booker etal are clamoring for...
 
I reread 2A's opaque post and realized I'd overlooked the word 'sensible' - the equal of 'reasonable' - two of the beloved words of the 'opposite of right' folk - the post will still remain quite muddy, but gains a 'little' clarity.

I think the gist of the post is: We need more sensible i.e., reasonable gun laws.

That familiar tune folks like biden, kamala, booker etal are clamoring for...


LOL..... The 2nd A according to liberals.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless I say it's reasonable.

Aloha, Mark
 
Heck, with enough booze and medication (sometimes referred to as 'weed') I could write posts like, well, you know who... because yes, I too can be coy and inscrutable, with help...
 

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