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Why are 410's so expensive!

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Elk killer, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. Elk killer

    Elk killer Salem OR Member

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    I was out looking for a 410 for my daughter and all the guns I found were priced $600 or more. Why the heck is a shotgun of this size so expensive? I am not looking for anything fancy just something I can teach her on as she grows up.
     
  2. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    How is a .410 any cheaper to make then a 12ga of the same make and model? Its actually more expensive due to the economy of scale. Think how many more 12ga Rem 870's they sell then .410 Rem 870's
     
  3. Elk killer

    Elk killer Salem OR Member

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    Ya I guess but it doesn't make it any easier to buy one! Lol


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  4. CLT65

    CLT65 Yamhill County Active Member

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    Wow, $600 must be something really nice. I know they are a lot harder to find, but they are out there. I expect Bi-Mart could special order you a brand new .410 870 for a lot less.

    My only .410 cost me $70 a couple years ago, but it's an ancient single shot- "Iver Johnson Gun & Cycle Works"- probably the better part of a century old. It still works great though. For what it is I wondered if I paid too much.
     
  5. Elk killer

    Elk killer Salem OR Member

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    I will check that out thank you!


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  6. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Single shots from pawn shops?
    70-125 easy.
     
  7. Elk killer

    Elk killer Salem OR Member

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    Good thought! Thank you didn't think of pawn shops


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  8. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    TDH Portland Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Bi-Mart has the Judge rifle for like $450 or something, and you can shoot 45lc too.
     
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  10. SomeDude

    SomeDude Portland, OR Reclaimer

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    I think the big issue is there are less models manufactured in .410, at least in pump. I did see a Mossberg at Dick's in Lake O today. As others have mentioned single shots are readily available. Rossi are all over the place, but you can do better for $100-$180. Fisherman's usually has new H&R single shots. Gun broker in Clackamas or Tigard often has used ones for cheaper. I've also seen new ones at Sportsman's Warehouse. I haven't looked for pump .410 there but they have the widest selection of shotguns I've seen so worth checking. If nothing else cruise over to Budsgunshop.com or galleryofguns.com and have one shipped to a local dealer.
     
  11. SomeDude

    SomeDude Portland, OR Reclaimer

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    I am curious though, where did you find them for $600 and what model? I just realized you are in Salem so I'd definitely check Sportsman's Warehouse.
     
  12. Elk killer

    Elk killer Salem OR Member

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    I was just searching online


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  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I think the Italians sell some dinky short 12ga shells for pretty reasonable.
    You could look into that.. make a five shot into a ten shot just by changing shells!
     
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    notazombie Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Aguila mini shells.
     
  15. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    You could buy a lot of those for $650.
     
  16. ThePhonMan

    ThePhonMan Spokanistan Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Rossi also makes some pretty interesting Matched Pairs: Rossi USA
    And Matched Sets: Rossi USA

    I’ve been considering one of these options for my godson. Any Rossi realer can order them and I doubt they are all that hard to get even in the current scarce climate. I'm not sure about price but I don't think you'll pay anywhere near $650.

    Good luck.
     
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    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    A dear friend of mine who has forgotten more about shotgunning than I'll ever hope to know gave me his advice about the .410 when I was looking for a starter for my son. He said people who enjoy shotguns and are good at it never started with a .410, but a lot of them end up there. Meaning, early success creates confidence and makes the sport enjoyable. He said .410s tend to be light and whippy, don't have much of a shot column which leads to bad fundamentals and a low hit rate. After you've developed your skills and have a really good dog that can hold birds tight, that's when you start thinking about a .410. He talked me into a used 1100 in 20ga--rugged, swings well, almost no recoil, $375 out the door. Just passing along what I felt was sage advice.
     
  18. Elk killer

    Elk killer Salem OR Member

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    Thanks for all the advice! My daughter is 4 now so I would be getting the gun more for me to carry while her and I go on hikes and scouting trips in case we see a grouse or rabbit but I guess a 22 would serve the same purpose. I just bought her a Diamond Atomic Compound Bow that she will be opening on Christmas but I don't she will be shooting guns to soon thought about a BB gun just to start working on proper handling and safety. I guess I wanted the 410 more for my self but also something she could shoot without scaring the s**t out of her the first time.


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  19. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I think the opposite is true, though I'm no shotgun expert.. the .410 is nothing but shot column.. you'll get better patterns with a larger bore given the same payload generally.
     
  20. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Elk Killer if you do decide to get her a BB gun I suggest a Red Ryder they last for decades (ours has been annoying pests for at least 4 decades now) and if you do remember to PM me and ask for my little person stock pattern. I designed a stock made from simple 3/4" fir (the nice stuff like used for door moldings) that can be cut out with even just a coping saw and shaped with a sheet of 120 grit sand paper that will suit a child of average build up to about age 7 when they have a chance to fit the original stock. Only other thing you would need is a drill motor to drill the one mounting hole.

    I can send you a scaled drawing you can use as a pattern.

    4-5 dads have used it and all said it worked great.
     
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