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Why .223?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by duginsky, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. duginsky

    duginsky Tualatin Active Member

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    Complete neophyte with this caliber, curious about uses for it. Primary interest would be defensive, though it appears that this caliber is also used for at least smaller game. What do you recommend this caliber for and why? Any particular rifles that you recommend in this caliber - again, why? I am ".223-curious," considering whether there is any sort of "ideal" rifle in the caliber - at least any that are reasonable in cost. Thanks for any input.
     
  2. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    It's cheap and you can find it in bulk...it's mainly for small game. Military switched to it so you could carry lots of rounds and it has a lower recoil on full auto than the 7.62x51 (.308).

    It has its benifits and its disadvantages. Overall, there are much better callibers out there. But try finding bulk ammo for anything other than 7.62x39 or 5.56 (.223)!
     
  3. Dan-Dee Sales Inc

    Dan-Dee Sales Inc Sweet Home, Oregon, United States Active Member

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    What he said.
     
  4. terrylf72

    terrylf72 Portland, Oregon, United States Member

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    the 5.56/223 I have been buying is mainly 62gr (M855 SS109) and 69gr (HP-BT). I do reload 55gr for plinking and range time.. but dont have nearly enough...

    Love my 7.62/308 but like the last guy said, recoil and price..
     
  5. no time

    no time Roseburg area Active Member

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    Cheap to shoot (usually)

    Easy to find (mostly)

    Light recoil. I'd rather shoot .223 than 22-250 thru my varmint rifles. 22-250 rocks just enough to take me off the sight picture after a shot. 223 doesnt do that, so I get to see if I hit. The relatively minor distance loss using .223 isn't a factor with my meager abilities.:)
     
  6. kito109654

    kito109654 Everett, WA Member

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    1) Varmint hunting
    2)That would be the AR. The combo of .223 and AR makes a great SHTF for both defense and putting food on the table.

    As far as strictly a defensive round, there are many that are better.
     
  7. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I love my poodle shooters :)
     
  8. HITMAN

    HITMAN Vancouver Member

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    in the military if you shoot your enemy with a 223 then it will bounce around and wound them, then it takes a second to tend to them. thus taking two. plus the weight is also a factor. The age old arguement. of course most countries shoot 7.62x39 back at us. dont get in the way of that. we shoot back from a long ways of with 7.62x51 nato lites out! god bless our troops
     
  9. unionguy

    unionguy Portland Active Member

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    Read Boston T. Party's Gun Bible...it will make a .308 man out of you...it did me!
     
  10. stonedkirby

    stonedkirby WA (Clark/Cowlitz) Member

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    what the consensus seems to be is that the 223 has a less desirable function as an assault or defensive round, and is more suitable for varmint hunting, target practice and such. The biggest advantage being its larger capacity in most mags. While it can be used in SHTF, the .308 is preferred as it is larger and more accurate. is this..right?
     
  11. kito109654

    kito109654 Everett, WA Member

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    In my very humble opinion, .308 is way too big for a SHTF round, and too much gun for most applications besides big game. Big cartridge equals less capacity and heavier weapon. 6.8SPC is a nice middle-ground for all around performance vs weight, plenty big for deer and yet not overkill for smaller game either. However, for SHTF, 6.8 availability comes into play. .223 is available damn near everywhere as a NATO round. The .308 also has availability going for it. Accuracy differences are negligable.
     
  12. unionguy

    unionguy Portland Active Member

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    My breakdown is this: for a purely urban setting, the .223 will be a fine round. It is effective out to 200-300 yards.

    However, for a true SHTF caliber, .308 is the way to go. The .308 is the best 'general purpose' round out there. It will be effective out to 500-600 yards with iron sights, further out with a scope. You can hunt everything up to an Elk with it. Also, keep in mind, a .308 round is much more effective in punching through walls and cars and other types of cover.

    As for carrying capacity, I think that is over-rated. Unlike the military--most of us won't be getting into firefights. Without medical support teams, surviving these is very unlikely. So, carrying 150 or so rounds while you're out and about will be more than adequate. The .308 is a sure man-stopper with one hit; this is not true with the .223. If you're trying to survive, your weapon is to get you out of trouble, so it will be about evasion and dis-engagement.

    Anyway, I highly recommend to read the Gun Bible; packed with great information and analysis of the major rifle platforms (FAL, M1A, G3, AR, AK, etc). He helped inform me on how to put together an effective battery as well.
     
  13. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    I've come to this exact same conclusion....but good luck finding 6.8 SPC under $1 a bullet.
     
  14. kito109654

    kito109654 Everett, WA Member

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    No luck needed, thanks. Bulk. :)
     
  15. DERGLOCKINMEISTER

    DERGLOCKINMEISTER SPRINGFIELD OREGON Member

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    .223/5.56 IS A great all around cal. flat shooting , low recoil , effective past 350 yds. very available virtually anywhere . Cheap to shoot , lots of parts
     
  16. Boats

    Boats Flicking A Switch To Open My Third Eye Well-Known Member

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    I think of 5.56 as a squad friendly caliber. IOW, a lot of guys opening upon on somebody will zap him good in mutual support.

    Being an individual with no support from another rifle shooter, let alone a group of them, I want something harder hitting, especially against concealment, cover, and/or vehicles.

    7.62x39mm is my minimum. I also have a Garand in .30-06. I look to be getting into a Kel-Tec RFB soon and going to 7.62x51.
     
  17. A2theK

    A2theK Olympia Member

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    I have several .223s, but they are way too expensive to shoot for practice. By practice I mean >500rds a week. With 5.45 I can do that no problem. Most of the people with tacti-cool ARs show up to the range and leave after one mag or two it seems to me. Since when is 300 or more per thousand "cheap to shoot"
     
  18. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Again, where are you finding 6.8SPC under $1 a bullet? Even in bulk they are about that price...unless you are reloading or buying from someone who is I'm calling BS on this one.

    5.56 is better simply because it is cheaper and for no other reason...there are better callibers and rifles out there than 5.56 ARs. Nevertheless, good luck finding them in the prices, the ammo in bulk and the platform you want to make it in that ARs come in.
     
  19. Bruce

    Bruce Jefferson County, Wa Member

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    If you are downtown any city when the world goes to **** an AK would be nice to have. But when you start to move out of town and the target distance gets farther It would be nice to have AR sights. If we are talking 7.62x39 vs 5.56 damage I would not want to take a hit from either.

    Bruce.
     
  20. plinkerneil

    plinkerneil Oregon New Member

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    .223 is a dandy carbine round--it's a reasonable choice for home defense in a single-family dwelling and suburban environs. Rifles chambered for it will be handy to carry on a tractor, ATV, or pickup (or on foot) if you're out in the country. Take your pick of rifle, I'd stick with either Mini-14 or AR15, they each have their plusses and minuses so try (or at least fondle) both and see which suits you better. No matter which you choose, somebody's going to tell you it was a bad decision, so just pick what suits you.

    .308 is a great all-around rifle round. You will not be touching this one off indoors, the noise will destroy your situational awareness and you have no idea what the round is going to hit after it goes through your target and the next three walls. Only in the direst of situations will you be needing this in urban areas--you'd have to have a valid excuse to be firing through cars or walls. It turns cover into concealment, which is a great thing if you should have need of that. There are a number of good battle rifles in .308, but they're heavy and tend to be more expensive. The M1A, FN-FAL, and HK91/PTR-91 all have good reputations, although you'll get arguments about that, too.

    You just have to ask yourself whether you're looking for a carbine, or a rifle. Personally I have both, but it's taken some time to get there.