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Who makes this shotgun? Is it legal?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by jaredb909, May 27, 2011.

  1. jaredb909

    jaredb909 Camano Island, WA Member

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    I saw this exact shotgun at a W.A.C gun show. Some guy had it in a holster he was selling, he had a bunch of camo holsters for tactical guns. He said it was not for sale and he wouldnt tell me alot about it.

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    Only differance between the gun in this pic and the one he had is the one he had, had a pistol grip on it. (Which would make it legal right?)

    If this is legal where do you get it? is it custom i cant find anything on google about it.

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  2. bassman2

    bassman2 SW WA Active Member

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    Serbu - Legal AOW with BATFE approval and $5 tax stamp - Coctailer is the main man for these.
     
  3. jaredb909

    jaredb909 Camano Island, WA Member

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    Sorry im new to some of this, AOW? BATFE? and im guessing coctailer is someone on this forum?
     
  4. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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  5. Guymcdb

    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Yeah that one is a hack job. And yes, it makes it illegal. It has to be manufactured with the pistol grip to be legal. It cant be manufactured to be shot from the shoulder, and that short. Has to come with the pistol grip from the factory. I would love to have one!
     
  6. jaredb909

    jaredb909 Camano Island, WA Member

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    Looks like the 5 Doller tax stamp thing for AOW takes awhile? Im guessing you do this prior to buying the gun?
     
  7. Guymcdb

    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Yup, it will take a while. They like to drag their feet. Talk to coctailer, he can answer all your questions on the Serbu's and the tax stamp.
     
  9. jaredb909

    jaredb909 Camano Island, WA Member

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    I better get goin on it now then. Thanks for the info, cant wait to own one of these.
     
  10. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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  11. cyclesarge

    cyclesarge Eugene OR, DUH! We're ALL in the NORTHWEST Well-Known Member

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    Why do you say this one would be "illegal"? Is it because the grip looks like it used to be a full stock, cut down? I have seen AOW with "birds head" grips before, nothing makes me think it isn't legal.
     
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  12. Guymcdb

    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Guess I should say illegal in Washington. AOW's is the only way for us WA guys to have these. Cant have it that short and have it be originally manufactured to be shoulder fired, that makes it a Short Barreled Shotgun. SBS


    Well you may be right, as far as a general AOW. But as far as shotguns go..........

    Its my understanding after some reading, that in order for a shotgun to be that short, it has to be classified as an AOW to be legal (in Washington). And for that to be allowed, the shotgun cannot be manufactured to be shot from the shoulder. If it is, its considered a shotgun. It has to be manufactured with the pistol grip from the factory in order to qualify as an AOW. Read the link I posted.

    If its manufactured to be shoulder fired, and the barrel is less than 18 inches. Its a short barreled shotgun.
     
  13. cyclesarge

    cyclesarge Eugene OR, DUH! We're ALL in the NORTHWEST Well-Known Member

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    I guess my simplified question is, what makes you think it WASN'T manufactured as a pistol gripped shotgun or AOW?

    BTW, that COULD be a SBS, with a pistol grip on it.
     
  14. ogre

    ogre Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone here fired one of these puppies? I'm thinking L O U D !
     
  15. Guymcdb

    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Ah! 10-4..lol I got what your sayin. Yeah I guess it could be an aftermarket grip. Good call. Never thought of that. Just looked like your typical cut stock with tape or a wrap on it to me I guess. But you're probably right.
     
  16. Guymcdb

    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Yup, which would make it illegal in Washington. That's why I said it was illegal.
     
  17. cyclesarge

    cyclesarge Eugene OR, DUH! We're ALL in the NORTHWEST Well-Known Member

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    Assuming it is in Washington. Heck it COULD be in Canada, which would make it not even an NFA item.
     
  18. Guymcdb

    Guymcdb Vancouver Wa Active Member

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    Yup. Was just telling the thread starter since he is in Washington, and didn't know much about them.
     
  19. spider

    spider Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    It has a kick for sure, but with the speedfeed "witness protection" grip as the one thats on the picture is, its pretty manageble, I shot a friends mossberg version, which is crazy light compared to the remington one, it was a 2+1, pretty handy, sucks you can't legally conceal carry it, its not considered a pistola.
     
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    These ARE manufactured to be fired from the factory from either Mossberg or less commonly Remington. They are then cut down (you can see the original writing on the barrel cut off), and a forward grip is installed, then it is ran through Serbu's manufacturing and re-branded as an AOW. The forward grip and that alone makes this gun legal with tax stamp. This one someone just switched the pistol grip out to the different style, which does not change it's legality. I have gotten stamps back in as little as 2 months so it's not too bad.