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Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?

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  1. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    [TD="width: 100%"] An interesting read.... :)

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    [TD] Earth Science, Geology, Mining Engineering




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    [TD] University of New England,University of Newcastle,University of Melbourne,University of Adelaide




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    [TD] University of New South Wales,Macquarie University




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    [TD] The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia (1976)




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    [TD] Eureka Prize (1995, 2002),Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)




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    Ian Rutherford Plimer
    is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne,
    professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide , and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining
    companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books, and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.

    Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?
    Professor Ian Plimer could not have said it better!
    If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.

    PLIMER: "Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland. Since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS,
    NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

    Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant
    requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.

    I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience
    and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science
    project, throwing out all of
    your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir,
    selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad,
    Nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cent
    light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs.....well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.

    The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every
    single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud
    at any one time - EVERY DAY.

    I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991.
    It spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.

    Yes, folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over
    One year - think about it.

    Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized
    800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which
    keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.
    And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and
    Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

    Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario.
    Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just 'Climate Change'- you know why? It's because the planet has
    COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
    And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you that will achieve absolutely
    nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.

    But, hey, relax......give the world a hug and have a nice day!"
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  2. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    It is impossible convince someone who is emotionally involved in their beliefs. But keep on keepin' on.
     
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  3. jib

    jib Central OR Active Member

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    Its pretty obvious the powers that be don't give a rats *** about the planet. They are interested in power and control. And with any luck Americans will wake up to this fact, but I am not so sure :(
     
  4. MinnesotaORnewbie

    MinnesotaORnewbie Oregon Active Member

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    you should take a college geology class and actually learn a few things on what is being argued and then could see how this story has been edited for the purpose of making an argument. Many natural occurrences supply the Earth with acid rain and increased greenhouse gases, but the actual numbers AFTER the industrial revolution, because of man, are exponentially greater than what nature has done in 10's of thousands of years.
     
  5. MinnesotaORnewbie

    MinnesotaORnewbie Oregon Active Member

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    by the way, volcanic eruptions produce sulfur dioxide in the atmosphere that mix with water vapor and actually "Reflect" incoming, shortwave, visible spectrum solar radiation. This causes less energy that the Earth can absorb and cools the planet. Greenhouse gases come mainly from fossil fuel use, deforestation, agriculture and even cement production. Greenhouse gases, which are normal and needed for the Earth to maintain heat for a temperature that allows for liquid surface water, absorb terrestrial radiation, long wave, infrared wave lengths of radiation coming from the Earth and keep the planet warm. More Green house gases absorb more radiation and less is lost to space creating warmer temps.
     
  6. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    From:

    Arctic Volcanoes Found Active at Unprecedented Depths

    So vocano's either Do, or Do Not produce CO2, you say it is Sulfur DiOxide, they say Carbon DiOxcide, maybe ... Just maybe, it is both? But I ask this, sincethe Question is,
    "Where does Carbon DiOxide come From" ???

    Which element is More Abundant, Carbon, or Sulfur? Which would burn OFF first, elemental Carbon, or Sufur...

    Your claim, is that the Geologist in the OP, has Edited the paper, to imply a direction to think towards.

    Are you saying that in Your Geology studies, no Professor ever did that? Pushed a direction of thinking, upon a class?

    If you accept the first premise, and do Not Accept the second one, you are mistaken!

    ALL, or virtually all Professors, Guide their students towards a predetermined course of Studies. That, is their Number One Occupation, there is really little freedom in Education, at Any Level today.

    If there was, we would be in a Much Different Society.

    Think upon that. Question Authority. Decide your Own patterns of deduction. That is Freedom of Education. Nothing else will suffice.

    Your own validity, that 2 + 2 = Four is how Einstein was taught, he did not just accept it. He proved everything he believed in. And stayed at it, until he was right, Not his first theorem, his best theorem, his last one.

    philip
    Still thinking independently, since 1950
     
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  7. MinnesotaORnewbie

    MinnesotaORnewbie Oregon Active Member

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    I understand what you are saying. This was the reason tenure became possible. This allows professors who the college trust, the ability to teach certain ways, methods, and opinions without fearing being fired for doing so. Some of these professors who have a opinion on certain things within their field in my mind are some of the best professors at our universities. Yes, some should be put out to pasture but even 1 Superb professor out of 10 is worth it in my mind.
     
  8. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Actually, amospheric CO2 levels have increased from 300 ppm to 450 ppm (.0003% to .00045%) over the Industrial Revolution. Hardly an exponential rise. Still, quite alarming until it is compared to...

    ...water vapor, the most significant greenhouse gas (that admittedly isn't even modeled in climate studies) which at 1% in deserts to 4% or so globally, dwarfs the contribution of current CO2 levels by a factor of 2,200 to 8,900 times.

    This alarm of 'global cooling' to, oh no wait, 'global warming' to now, oh wait again, 'global climate change' has certainly begun to sound hollow to those of us who have been around for the last four decades hearing it.

    Keith

    PS, just for fun, reread the Global Cooling article I linked above, but substitute 'warming' or 'change' everytime they say 'cooling' and you have an article that could have been written ten years ago...or yesterday.
     
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    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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