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Where Can I Purchase an AR15 A1 or Quality Reliable Clone ?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by clambo, Oct 25, 2014.

  1. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Hi Guys,

    I've finally decided to buy my first and likely only AR15. The thing is that I am only interested in the old triangle hand guard A1 variant such as I carried in the early 80's. Is there one being made commercially that is of good quality and reliable ( the option I'd prefer ) or am I going to have to get someone to build me one ? ( I'm inept as a gunsmith and do not wish to invest in a bunch of special tools, not to mention the learning curve. )

    Thanks,

    Clambo
     
  2. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Do you mean the Colt SP-1 Sporter

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  3. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    That looks like it to me. I'm assuming there is a forward assist on the other side. I realize these barrels will only stabilize the lighter bullets but thats okay by me. 300 meters is fine. Thanks !
     
  4. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have an SP-1 Sporter from Colt and it doesn't have the forward assist.
    The SP-2 has the assist, but the hand guard is round.
     
  5. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    SP1's are not all that uncommon, however they do kind of bring a premium over more current offerings, especially for the features you get.

    If you are just going for the "look" build a retro AR with new parts is probably the simplest thing. There are lots of folks who are qualified to build one. I could refer you to several around Seattle but I suspect there are plenty that are much closer to you.
     
  6. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The SP-1 Sporter is a slick sided, large pin model upper and are only chambered for .223 ammo.
    They are also parkerized, so if you want the real look, you would spend some coin having one put together.
    I lucked out with mine, it was stashed under a waterbed frame since 1977.
    Brand new in the box and when I discovered it, the deceased owners widow gave it to me for an x-mas present.
     
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  7. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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  8. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    That's not a real Colt part, but an aftermarket piece.
    Avoid mag dumps because it might melt on you.
     
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  9. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    Just off the top of my head.

    It kind of depends on how authentic

    Colt sporter 2 is probably the closest you will get with a factory rifle just swop out the hand guards and you are done. It will be hard to find.

    but oly did make some A1 receivers and does dmps and bushmaster but they are the A1 C7 rifles just add colt triangle hand guards and possibly a A1 delta ring and a A1 stock

    or just build one lmk i may be of assistance but know this authentic colt parts for that era have gone up in value a lot since the end of the 94 Klinton ban. But i can help you make one that looks right

    there are many makers of the A1 C7 upper receiver thats the A1 with shell deflector those are pretty common and you can build from that bushmaster and DPMS

    you can buy a A1 parts kits from various sources just ad a lower or lower and a barrel

    i could go on and on but thats enough to get you started
     
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  10. Mr Smith

    Mr Smith 54 68 65 20 73 74 69 63 6b 73 Active Member

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    A1's did not come with a forward assist. If it has a forward assist, its not an A1.

    A2's came with a forward assist as the forward assist was an afterthought to the original design to help improve reliability in the field.

    Here you can compare how the platform has evolved:

    M16 A1, M16 A2, and M4 A3

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    *note* not my guns or my picture... just happened to have the 3 side by side in order and showing the ejection port side of the gun. :D
     
  11. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    There is an outfit that advertizes in Shotgun News that sells retro AR parts. You can buy a slick side upper and a lower with no fence or a partial fence. You can even buy the early style tele stocks and charging handles from them. I cant think of the name of the outfit but they seem to always be in there.
     
  12. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you on that clambo! I too like the classic look of the old style hand guards and carry handle/sites. How drastically different it looked from anything else that came before!
    I'm sure that for functionality and accessories the modern versions are superior but on style the old version just seems right!
    I seem to remember one year maybe 83? or so we had a lot of changes in the Army. Plain Green Fatigues to Cammo, Steel Pot helmets to Kevlar and new style handguards on our M16s.
     
  13. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    If you're into building your own Royal Tiger has A1 parts kits with new barrels for $499 or so.
     
  14. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    Ummm: Yeah, A1's did have FA. See the one in your picture, for example. ;)

    Actually the forward assist was on the M16 even prior to the M16a1, it was introduced on the XM16E1.
     
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  15. Mr Smith

    Mr Smith 54 68 65 20 73 74 69 63 6b 73 Active Member

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    sorry, had it right in my head lol... early M16* did not come with forward assist. M16A1 did as it was an army requirement for adoption.

    also colt sp1 = no forward assist.

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  16. thirtycal

    thirtycal Camas, WA Active Member

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    You'll need to find an A1 clone on Gunbroker (if you want a true clone with fwd assist). Of course you could go with an SP-1 as mentioned earlier, but that isn't really an A1 clone.

    Not sure about building from a kit these days because the kit quality seems to be rather low. I built two from kits a couple of years ago and the quality of the parts was excellent. The biggest task was finding correct Colt barrels on Gunbroker. I wasn't about to use after market barrels on clone builds.

    There's alot of details that need to be tended to, including the correct finish and engraving on the lower, and the correct finish on the trigger group and other small parts. This all costs money and takes alot of time. So it would be easiest to just buy a rifle from someone who has already done this work, and is willing to sell.

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  17. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    FYI, the only place where I have found that you can buy a slick (no forward assist) upper receiver is from Nodak and they're sold out with no time on an expected release date...it just says "there will be no more for some time"

    http://www.nodakspud.com/AR Lowers.htm
     
  18. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Last Christmas I was removing an old waterbed frame in the master bedroom of the 80 yr old widow that I take care of and this shows up.
    Her deceased husband was a very good friend of mine and he had hidden this new 1977 Colt SP-1 under the beds wood supports.
    She was visiting relatives back East and after I told her about finding the Colt, she gave it to as an X-Mas gift.
    It was a nice surprise to say the least. ar-15 colt 001.JPG
     
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  19. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Back in '87-ish I bought a NIB factory Colt Sporter-II from The Rod & Gun club when I was stationed in Germany.

    It has an A-1 type upper w/FA, A-1 rear sight, and A-2 shell deflector.

    It has an A-1 slab side lower, A-2 round hand guards and buttstock, and an A-2 5.56 chambered 1/7 twist HBAR.

    Crazy, eh? :rolleyes:


    I plan to have that one buried with me when I die. o_O
     
  20. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    For Retro rifle stuff, look no further.
    www.AR15Sport.com

    Local to the Portland area.

    Tell them I sent you.