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When is enough truly ENOUGH!!!!!

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by Chunky Milk, Jul 11, 2013.

  1. Chunky Milk

    Chunky Milk Springtucky Member

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    So NFA wait times are rising, ATF is now saying the wait is 9 months for a form 4 or form 1, add on top of that that dealer transfers are now taking 3 months, it will take approximately a year to get a can from a manufacturer....... I am sorry but this is absolutely outrageous in this day and age when i can get a response from amazon after placing an order in less than 30 seconds, there is absolutely no reason why it should take this long when NICS can do what it does in 5 minutes. I would write my rep about it...... oh wait its Defazio..... so will surely fall on deaf ears.

    /End rant!!!!

    see here for more info: More Bad News On NFA Wait Times | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns
     
  2. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Hell yeah, we really need to get on them about this.
    Not to mention 99% of all NFA item applicants are squeaky effin clean to begin with!
    Also CHL wait times!
    3 GD months for my woman to get hers.
    Just to be able to to it legally we have to jump through all these hoops and wait a ridiculous amount of time.. On top of all the "fees"!!!!
     
  3. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Civil Disobedience.
     
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  4. ICEarms

    ICEarms Ferndale, WA New Member

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    I'm conflicted about NFA wait times. On one hand, I wish they were shorter. On the other hand, I'm loathe to bring it to the attention of anyone. NFA is a small revenue stream for the government, but only because the stamps were never adjusted for inflation. They'd be something over $3k adjusted, apiece.

    Sure, I want one month wait times. But do I want $3k tax stamps? Probably not.

    If we all made a fuss about it, they COULD hire more examiners, yet keep the tax the same. But would they?

    Sent from the ICE Arms Customer Service Cave.
     
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  5. broncman

    broncman E. of Portland yet to close! Quality Control!

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    This is along the lines I was thinking.

    I will gladly wait 6 or even 9 months for a $200 stamp. ;)
     
  6. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I'd pay $300 for a 1 month wait, but since that isn't an option, I'll have to agree with ICEarms.
     
  7. teflon97239

    teflon97239 Portland, OR Well-Known Member

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    It was already ridiculous when it was 6 months. It's not like any "investigation" is actually conducted. So how long does it take a bureaucrat to click on a couple computer programs and lick a stamp? Longer every month it seems. Bastiges...
     
  8. Chunky Milk

    Chunky Milk Springtucky Member

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    The problem lies with the absolutely gross misappropriation of the funds that come into the ATF via the $200 tax. the revenue collected goes into the general fund. all we would need to get 1 month wait time is to have 25% of all tax revenue generated from the NFA to go towards the hiring of more examiners. that would make the department self sufficient and as the number of applications rise so will the the revenue generated, IE the ability to hire more examiners to meet that paperwork demand, and as the wait times come down you will see the market just explode meaning MORE revenue for the .gov

    this is so simple all we need is one representative to make an ammendment to one of the 2000 page monstrosities that congress passes on a near daily basis. and title it the "NFA Branch efficiency act", or the "NFA Branch self sufficiency act" or something that will make it so no democrat looks to hard into it
     
  9. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Making you wait... is the point. ;)
     
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  10. captqc

    captqc Tigard Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    One would think that once you are in the system and have been approved subsequent requests would be a snap, only problem is we are talking about the Federal government! My first one took 2 months but the last one took 5 months, background checks take 10 to 15 minutes, go figure!
     
  11. Chunky Milk

    Chunky Milk Springtucky Member

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    just got off the phone with the NFA branch, i sent in a form 4 for a suppressor in late march, form went pending on june 6, thats nearly 2 and a half months from forms arriving to pending, and they are calling for a nine month wait after the form goes pending, so the overall wait is now a full year, this will hopefully light a fire under the asses of the industry to start lobbying harder to get the agency organized, I know that the American Silencer Association has been working hard on it, but they have been about as effective as a screen door on a submarine at getting wait times down. these wait times are F****** criminal..........
     
  12. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    I am still confused as to why anyone needs to ask permission or wait for approval for something that shall not be infringed upon.

    It is very hard for me to take anything like this seriously, since "shall not be infringed" is so clear. Before we go there, no, suppressors are not OK to tax and withhold at the federal or state level, so before anyone starts with the "I'm not OK with that being sold to just anybody" BS, remember that The Constitution protects the individual from just that. Someone deciding that product A isn't good for you because they are scared of what they may do with it. Taking it upon themselves to enact illegal laws does not mean you are required to follow them. In fact, just the opposite.
     
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  13. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    For me it's pretty basic. I don't want to pay a big fine and/or spend time in a Federal "correctional facility" being some big pervert's "wife".

    So, I'll have to wait because it is a federal law whether you believe it is constitutional or not.
     
  14. Abiqua

    Abiqua Oregon Active Member

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    This. I have to work within the rule of law, even if I believe the law to be wrong.
     
  15. osterr1999

    osterr1999 Silverton, OR Active Member

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    I had the same thing happen to me as Chunky Milk. I sent in my forms in March, they went pending June 22nd. Add to that a 9 month wait and you are into the zone of freaking ridiculous.
     
  16. Chunky Milk

    Chunky Milk Springtucky Member

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    A right delayed is a right denied, and i believe that since this issue of reasonable "delay" has been addressed with NICS, that there is precedent to sue ATF for the ridiculous wait times. might come to that. paging alan gura
     
  17. osterr1999

    osterr1999 Silverton, OR Active Member

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    I agree that they should have a required response time and if they don't meet that you should be able to assemble or take possession of your NFA item until the paperwork finally does go through. Similar to what we have here for the background check delays.
     
  18. flybynyt

    flybynyt Battleground, WA Active Member

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    Just got off the phone with ATF and was told late August. That will be right around 9 months. How can they justify that? Such BS.
     
  19. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps it is your handle on NWFA.... It might not inspire a lot of confidence with them...I am just sayin.... :laugh:

    Brutus out
     
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  20. Chunky Milk

    Chunky Milk Springtucky Member

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    when did you go pending???