What should we do now?

[UserNameInUse]

It needs to be out in the open. If the Dems didn't push gun control, Hillary would have won easily against Trump. This needs to be pointed out over and over outside of our circles until they listen. No need to preach to the choir here.

Sen. Brian Schatz (D) said, "Democrats need to take, not forever, but weeks and months to diagnose what just happened to us and why,"

Don't let them ignore what their gun control efforts which have caused:

1) Huge increases in gun ownership
2) An explosion in the popularity of "Assault" rifles
3) Huge increases in the amount of ammunition people need to keep in their homes
4) Loss of the presidency
5) A conservative Supreme Court, maybe for decades to come

What did they hope to gain?

1) Campaign contributions from anti-gun organizations
2) Sticking it to those rednecks they hate

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[d2the3]

What should we do now?
-take suppressors off the NFA registry
-increase firearms education
-hug a liberal and tell them it will be ok

 

[11Charlie]

What should we do now?
-take suppressors off the NFA registry
-increase firearms education
-hug a liberal and tell them it will be ok

Don't forget rescind a couple bubblegumming laws that infringe on our rights!!

 

[DB is Here]

I-591 in Washington has been on the books for 2 years. To this date it hasn't been used in one conviction or trial. Dems love "Sounds good / Do Nothing" laws. (Think Affordable Care Act "ObamaCare")

That said Hillary's downfall wasn't only her anti-gun stance, it was her corruption & lying that did her in IMO.

America doesn't have a gun problem we have a prison revolving door problem. As an ex-LEO we always dealt with the same idiots.

 

[PaulB47]

That said Hillary's downfall wasn't only her anti-gun stance, it was her corruption & lying that did her in IMO.

The turnout for Trump was much higher than normal, despite Trump having negatives almost as bad as Hillary. That large turnout was almost certainly strongly connected to Hillary's anti-gun stance. Let's face it, not so many people are motivated by sloppy handling of emails, and they are pretty used to Clinton criminality by now, but they sure don't want to be disarmed.

 

[Connor Murphy]

I-591 in Washington has been on the books for 2 years. To this date it hasn't been used in one conviction or trial. Dems love "Sounds good / Do Nothing" laws. (Think Affordable Care Act "ObamaCare")

That said Hillary's downfall wasn't only her anti-gun stance, it was her corruption & lying that did her in IMO.

America doesn't have a gun problem we have a prison revolving door problem. As an ex-LEO we always dealt with the same idiots.

Hillary's seeming sense of entitlement and giving the impression that she is above the rules didn't help her either. Letting the whole world see just how fat the thumb was that the Dems had on Hil's side of the scale in the primaries couldn't have helped either.

 

[DB is Here]

The turnout for Trump was much higher than normal, despite Trump having negatives almost as bad as Hillary. That large turnout was almost certainly strongly connected to Hillary's anti-gun stance. Let's face it, not so many people are motivated by sloppy handling of emails, and they are pretty used to Clinton criminality by now, but they sure don't want to be disarmed.

I'll agree that both candidates we're tainted at best and that most don't want their rights erroded. But Trump spoke better to what the middle class wanted...and that is change.

 

[UserNameInUse]

Everyone knows what Hillary was and what the party did for her. There are bad laws on the books. You can be sure on the left coast there are more to come until the party decides it a losing proposition.

You can be sure Bloomberg is putting pressure on the party not to publicly blame this loss on guns. Now is the time to hammer it home.

 

[Caveman Jim]

What should we do now?
-take suppressors off the NFA registry
-increase firearms education
-hug a liberal and tell them it will be ok

#1 & 2 are agreed upon but #3 is a definite NOGO IMHO!!!

 

[nwslopoke]

I don't think it was all Hillary's lying. Everyone expected her to do that. McCain & Romney never excited their base the way Trump did. The Dems just looked at past results and said, this is how Republicans act. No, those Republicans were unmotivated. Of course I don't have a PhD. What do I know.

Politics is now a career and a profession. It's supposed to be a few years and out. Hopefully term limits can be a real thing. Even the military will kick you out at some point.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Im still in BUY mode. Still keeping an eye out for OFF and NRA alerts. These antis are sore losers.. You can bet something big is going to happen.

 

[DB is Here]

Everyone knows what Hillary was and what the party did for her. There are bad laws on the books. You can be sure on the left coast there are more to come until the party decides it a losing proposition.

You can be sure Bloomberg is putting pressure on the party not to blame this loss on guns. Now is the time to hammer it home.

Sadly agreed. Notice it's the billionaires that have hired security are the ones pushing this agenda.

The "Good for thee, but not for me" Elitist's have delivered Trump...own it.

 

[Connor Murphy]

Everyone knows what Hillary was and what the party did for her. There are bad laws on the books. You can be sure on the left coast there are more to come until the party decides it a losing proposition.

You can be sure Bloomberg is putting pressure on the party not to publicly blame this loss on guns. Now is the time to hammer it home.

Hadn't thought about how Bloomie would spin it but you are absolutely correct, I think. Common sense gun control? Nothing to see here, move along...it was the racist rednecks of course.

 

[PaulB47]

I'm getting two pictures about the turnout, a little confusing:

The overall turnout was low for both parties.

The turnout for Trump, compared to the turnout for Clinton, was quite high.

Is that correct? It looks contradictory, but I guess it doesn't have to be.

 

[P7M13]

What to do now:
If the Dems get their proverbial stuff together and clean their house, eliminating all: the corrupt Clinton influence, subservience to the closed media mouthpiece, the pandering to K Street special interest groups, PACs and corporate interests, it will leave a vacuum where the interests of the constituents can be championed. This comes down to grass roots.

What do people want: work, affordable health care, effective education, affordable housing, lower taxes, and safety. I think the democratic/liberal notion that government should watch out for us stems mostly from the administrations of FDR and Johnson.

How do you get in on this grass roots opportunity? Get to know liberals, hug them - hell, have a naked hot tub party with them. Then if they don't know jack about guns, teach them to shoot. Teach them that safety and self defense starts with them. Take them to a slaughter house, then take them hunting. IMO, most people are autistic when it comes to this, and the sensibility of the lifestyle need to be demonstrated to them. They cannot wrap their heads around the concept to overcome the brainwashing they've received that guns are bad.

Personal soap boxing:
I have been a left leaning person all my life, registered as an independent, but my political affiliations have been all over the map. I have belonged to groups ranging from "Latin American Solidarity Committee" (communist) to College Republicans and numerous conservative business interest groups. None of it to get laid, but I did appreciate the bohemian nature of the Solidarity Committee.

I'm deeply satisfied at the outcome of the election - I think the Democratic Party, as it stands, should be burned to the ground and rebuilt. The sense of entitlement, that the government owes us anything, needs to be altered. In its place a foundation of self sufficiency and a community commitment to help those less fortunate in its place. I think the whole notion of "political correctness" needs to be tossed into the dumpster.
Every liberal I know does not believe in restricting the right to owning guns, though some of them do not believe in owning guns for themselves. What I find most common is that they fear guns, and as to why we need only look to Hollywood and the media.
We can change that. Perhaps I'm naive, but I believe in the power of grass roots.

 

[Diamondback]

How do you get in on this grass roots opportunity? Get to know liberals, hug them - hell, have a naked hot tub party with them. Then if they don't know jack about guns, teach them to shoot. Teach them that safety and self defense starts with them. Take them to a slaughter house, then take them hunting. IMO, most people are autistic when it comes to this, and the sensibility of the lifestyle need to be demonstrated to them. They cannot wrap their heads around the concept to overcome the brainwashing they've received that guns are bad.

More "uninformed and misinformed"--I know a number of autistics in the shooting community myself included, and comparing them to us is just unnecessarily insulting. (IMO, one of the highest praises I've ever received was a member of the local SWAT team I used to shoot with knowing full good-and-well my neuropathology and telling me "You'd do to have watching my back.")

 

[Caveman Jim]

I was raised and a democratic household from the fifties to the seventies my parents were good people they worked hard. My dad kicked bubblegum in the military (SF, GB & airborne), my mom a seamstress and they were very respectful people. They respected others rights and property, it didn't matter to them it was all the same and that is what they taught their children. To this day I have followed that line of indoctrinating and have taught my children the same.

In my line of thinking, Democrats are very few & far in between, some of them do exist in the local/state governments but they do not exist in the federal government. By far they are liberal/Marxist socialist/communist legislators.
I do agree with P7id10T , the way the Democratic party needs to be fixed. Also with the Republican party needs the same fixed IMHO.

 

[P7M13]

More "uninformed and misinformed"--I know a number of autistics in the shooting community myself included, and comparing them to us is just unnecessarily insulting. (IMO, one of the highest praises I've ever received was a member of the local SWAT team I used to shoot with knowing full good-and-well my neuropathology and telling me "You'd do to have watching my back.")

That is a compliment from the SWAT team.
I meant absolutely no insult with my comment. My apologies.
I say autistic, because as the father to an autistic son, and to a daughter who was diagnosed as such, (and I've been told I'm Asperger myself), we trained my son and daughter by doing and repetitive example. Modeling social behavior, play interactions ("how are you today? I am fine. This is nice sunny weather today..."), and then as they grew and showed the ability to adapt to situations, we then exposed them to situations outside of their comfort zones. Loud noises, uncomfortable things to hold, foods they would spit out, noisy crowds. The biggest challenge was teaching them to recognize when they were triggered and to self soothe. My son used to just break out in a flat run, and on more than one occasion ran directly into traffic.
Your characterization of folk as uninformed and misinformed is more accurate, because I see it too, and it manifests itself as fear and hatred toward firearms. It is with these very folk that I have found taking the time to show and teach them, their ignorance and fear can be transformed to empowerment and respect. It's pretty electrifying for some.

 

[Diamondback]

@P7id10T No offense taken, hence the "tongue stuck out" emoticon--just wanted to keep it on the community's radar as a whole about stigmatizing those with atypical neuro/psych. We're both proof that "different" doesn't automatically mean "dangerous"... (I think my friend was referring more to character and mindset than anything... I'd never hack the job physically, and the ONE chin-up I've ever "done" in my life had two buddies in my high-school's JROTC program hoisting me up and over the bar--almost zero upper body strength, to the point that my GF and I have a running joke about wishing we could trade the fat-mass in my man-boobs for some of the muscle-mass in her pectorals.)

I'm 36 and I still get kinda uneasy and have to fight an instinct to rabbit around crowds... in general, though, having at least one clear path out from the middle of the herd helps. High-frequency noise still makes me cringe, but polarized lenses have gone a long way in helping with light sensitivity. Still more comfortable with books and machines than people, and when dealing with the latter more with my elders than my peers (most of my friends as a kid and even now are my parents' or grandparents' age rather than my own, and for some probably-similar reason I tend to prefer more-mature women for companionship, probably thinking that with me being a big bucket o' Special Handling Required they're more likely to have seen enough to know how to handle it than some cute but inexperienced young thing.)

That last para is bang-on... whatever Systems Architecture you're running, it's human nature to fear things we don't understand--and I've seen the same thing, watching young ladies I knew in college go from scared out of their minds to "Nobody's Getting Past Me To Hurt My Kids" after a little range time with my .45. (Which also had a bonus in added self-confidence because of the nasty reputation the 1911 has among the uninformed and them mastering it... and another in illustrating the difference between media myth and reality.)

 

[Diamondback]

Also, P7, one thing that I found helpful was studying Psych myself--understanding how the mind works helps a lot with understanding the differences and how to communicate across them. Particularly the science of Behavioral Analysis--back before it went Typical Po-Pro Schlock my Psych profs even suggested watching Criminal Minds' early seasons and studying how FBI profilers size people up.